This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

Except the poster who posted a link to the Cradle also recently posted a link to Iranian state media. Nothing wrong with that apparently.

The linked post in The Cradle was about the poll, nothing else. That is all anyone here saw. I have just checked again. That’s it - nothing else. No one would have been reading it and contemplating Hamas as freedom fighters as a result.

Can I please remember that my link was removed because one of the sources that I linked , that the title of this thread is “This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)” and that the link I posted was about a vast majority of Israeli citizens believing that posts about Gaza shouldn’t be allowed ? I’ve the feeling we’re derailing from the actual thread … what Israel does against palestines.

@TimeTravellingTyrion what do you think of the poll?

And if someone linked to some fucking neo nazi website about something that has nothing to do with nazism it would have been fine if the article wasn't about neo nazis and no one is going to read it thinking neo nazis are great. Right? Who cares if someone links to an antisemitic website if the actual article doesn't explicitly say fuck Jews.

So would you be OK with someone posting a poll from, say, Breitbart? Just because it's only a poll.

As someone said, nothing justifies Oct 7th, but everything since then is justified by Oct 7th.

Including genocide and ethnic cleansing.

But you know.. Hamas.

Maybe it might be an idea to start a thread about news outlets relating to Israel/Gaza/West Bank/ Hezbollah describing which you think are dangerous and misleading and which are not.

Then posters will have a guide even if they decide not to follow it always. For example I would not dismiss Al Jazeera which you might but I would check what they say against other sites too.

It can work both ways though. Some Israeli/UK/US outlets may be misleading or biased too obviously.

One of the sections in the poll was about censoring posts showing sympathy for the plight of Palestinians.

Here is an example of a solution one Israeli group has found:

Leftist group exhibits art on Israeli streets to avoid censorship
The art collection depicts war as experienced by kids, including Palestinians — a topic organizers say deserves more empathy among Israeli Jews.

https://forward.com/news/626326/innocence-disrupted-exhibit-children-war-art/
(Forward is a Jewish Independent not for profit.)

Do you have an example of this from the actual on-line publication? One of the criticisms of The Cradle is that it doesn’t disclose its owner. Your post really seems like an hominem argument- the Pew report findings aren’t credible because the report was referenced in a particular free on line journal that has a columnist you think is antisemitic and you believe that this particular columnist owns the publication. Regardless of what this journalist’s stance is, it doesn’t change the findings of the Pew report .

I found the Pew report depressing reading, but I wasn't surprised - it was fairly consistent with what people have told me about the challenges faced by people expressing views about the conflict.

Do you think that calling Hamas "the resistance" and the hostages prisoners of war is okay? Because if you do then nothing anyone says will convince you

Ha my post pointing out antisemitism was deleted again. What did I say that was inaccurate? I mentioned examples of things I've seen on this board but that's not okay apparently. I'm not allowed to say that I've seen threads insulting the Torah or defending holocaust deniers or defending people who laugh at 7/10 or denying that Hamas are antisemitic or claiming Hamas have the right to "armed resistance". People are allowed to say these things, I'm not allowed to say that people have said these things. What a website.

Im finding them upsetting. In the last few weeks with the protests against the government in Israel i was hoping a good majority of Israelis wanted to live in peace with their neighbours and would want Palestinians to live without restrictions.

in the last few days several polls are being published where a 60% of those interviewed don’t align with these views (not only this one but the one about rapped Palestinians by idf members) and also the podcast from a few days ago “all Israelis want to press that button to destroy Gaza”

I was hoping with the demonstrations in Israel that there would soon be a ceasefire and hopefully 2 countries living in peace with decent politicians (not sure this that even exist tho seeing the politicians around the world). But I feel we are far from it

This is an interesting report from CNN about the plight of Bedouin Arab-Israelis in the Negev dessert.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/07/middleeast/israel-bedouins-arabs-unrecognized-villages-neglected-hamas-war-mime-intl/index.html

The little girl hit by shrapnel from the Lebanon strike last May, and the recently freed hostage Al-Qadi are from here.

They live without water, electricity, iron- dome protection, hospitals or schools yet even in these dessert conditions their meagre villages are bulldozed by the Israeli government for various reasons.

Their plight has worsened significantly since a far-right government came to power in 2022, residents told CNN. In August of last year, National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir attended the demolition of an unrecognized village near Tel Arad in the Negev, Israeli media reported. The minister called the demolition “sacred work,” and said the residents should “understand that we govern here, that there are landlords in this country.”

@TimeTravellingTyrion Was this in the context of an interview or was it an opinion column or was it an op ed piece? Did it reflect the views of the editorial board? Or maybe you’re living outside Europe
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41430505.html

Hamas have done many terrible things. Nobody here has said otherwise.

Many of the terrible things done by Israeli forces are things they chose to do.

For example, nobody was forced to tie up my friends and shoot them in the head. Someone chose to do that.

Nobody was forced to gang rape prisoners either.

Or torture healthcare professionals.

Or bomb aid workers.

Or fire on an ambulance travelling on a coordinated route trying to reach a child who had just watched her family die.

Etc.

or shot at kids on their head or those protesting against something illegal (settlers)

can you imagine if British forces shot at the head of people attending a demonstration what the uproar would it be?

I'm not sure what you mean.

@TimeTravellingTyrion
You posted “Do you think that calling Hamas "the resistance" and the hostages prisoners of war is okay? “
I asked you to be specific about your allegations about a free on line publication that reported on the the Pew survey in question.
Rather than accepting the findings of the report, or debating the findings on their own merits or lack thereof, both the OP and mumsnet were painted as racist.
Context is important.
For example, here is an account of an interview with Gerry Adams that was published in both Der Spiegal and the Irish Times( a paper sometimes referred to disparagingly as “West Brit”, so at the opposite end of the spectrum to Irish Nationalism).
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/violence-can-be-a-legitimate-way-to-achieve-aims-adams-says-1.3454352
This doesn’t mean that either publication supports the path of violence.

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There are many articles on that website that refer to Hamas as the resistance and the hostages as prisoners of war. Most articles that mention Hamas call them the resistance, but if you don't feel like actually looking:

https://thecradle.co/articles/israeli-troops-return-to-fight-resistance-in-gazas-al-zaytoun-for-seventh-time

https://thecradle.co/articles/devil-in-the-details-how-hrw-laundered-israels-7-october-falsehoods

https://thecradle.co/articles/behind-enemy-bars-palestinian-and-israeli-prisoners

https://thecradle.co/articles/the-flood-from-gaza

https://thecradle.co/articles/germanys-blind-support-for-israel-in-gaza