This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

[Eyesopenwideawake]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

At this point any website, person or even institution that is not openly and loudly Pro Israel is being labelled as being Pro Hamas.

It is a tired deflection technique used to attempt to bully posters into silence.
Newsflash other opinions exist and attempts at shaming people and emotional manipulation is useless after 11 months.

Why don’t you supply such a source if you know of one?

There may not be another at present as I could not find one when looking this morning.

Another report may emerge soon. Perhaps The Times of Israel, Reuters or CNN will supply one.

I’ve noticed some U.K. papers pick up on Haaretz news pieces a little later.

Full Haaretz articles cannot be accessed without a subscription unless they have been archived which is not the case with this one about the poll at the moment. Therefore The Cradle, quoting the Haaretz poll statistics, is useful.

Re tge report:
One thing it was not clear about the idea of censoring Palestinian violent images relating to Gaza was whether it would also apply to violent Israeli, especially IDF, social media images.

Has anyone given permission to Israel to do this ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cewlqpk9e99o

No, in fact the Egyptian Government has been very clear that it is in breach of the Camp David peace agreement signed with Israel. However with the protection of the American government Israel has ignored them.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240821-israel-asks-to-amend-camp-david-deal-with-egypt-for-control-over-philadelphi-corridor/

I have now googled the Pew Research Centre as suggested by JohnSnow to try finding the direct source of the poll details on censoring social media posts.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/08/26/many-israelis-say-social-media-content-about-the-israel-hamas-war-should-be-censored/

It is interesting to see the Pew Research Centre report where it says,

• The share of Israelis who say posts that express sympathy for civilians in Gaza should be kept off social media (59%) is about double the share who say these posts are acceptable (30%).

• Israelis are most divided on posts that criticize their government’s actions in the war. Half say those posts should be censored, while 41% disagree. Supporters of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition government are much more likely than nonsupporters to say posts criticizing the government should not be allowed (69% vs. 39%).

It seems wrong to me not to be allowed to show sympathy for civilians harmed in a war. Even if there is the danger this could be used manipulatively by enemies, imo an even greater danger is for a population to be unaware of what is happening to other people in their name. I also think it is important in a democracy to be able to criticise the government.

The Pew Centre also reports,

• Arab Israelis are more likely than Jewish Israelis to say they post or share about political or social issues at least sometimes (28% vs. 20%). However, Jews are about twice as likely as Arabs to do so about the Israel-Hamas war specifically (20% vs. 11%). About a quarter of Arab Israelis (24%, a plurality among those asked) say they never post or share content about the war. Only 6% of Jewish Israelis say the same.

• Since October, Israeli authorities have detained dozens of Arab citizens over their social media posts related to the war. Many others have faced disciplinary measures at work or school for things they shared online, according to rights groups based in Israel.

This seems to suggest that Arab Israelis might be feeling that they should keep quiet about their views regarding the war in a way that Jewish Israelis do not.

So linking to an antisemitic Hamas loving website is fine but pointing that out is not. Thank you MNHQ for reminding us why so many Jewish mumsnetters have been driven from your website recently.

@TimeTravellingTyrion
The research quoted was from the Pew Institute and you can read it here:
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/08/26/many-israelis-say-social-media-content-about-the-israel-hamas-war-should-be-censored/

The Pew institute is generally considered non partisan unlike a lot of the Washington based think tanks, which are essentially lobbyist groups for vested interests.

Yeah know. The poster didn't link to the Pew Research Center. They linked to the Cradle who are a pro terrorist antisemitic hate site.

@TimeTravellingTyrion they already have an explanation as to why they chose that link. But regardless of source, the facts remain.

I can see my comment was deleted. I’ll post again from Haaretz. Sorry to those that domt have the reading version

Majority of Israelis Back Censoring Gaza War Social Media Posts, Exposing Jewish-Arab Divide, Poll Shows
Political divisions further shape opinions on censorship, the poll finds. Among Israelis on the right, 76 percent want to block posts supporting Gaza's civilians, compared to only 25 percent on the left

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-09-05/ty-article/.premium/poll-majority-of-israelis-back-censoring-gaza-war-posts-exposing-jewish-arab-divide/00000191-c119-de0a-afd5-d959c4d20000

@TimeTravellingTyrion Can you be more specific about your allegation that The Cradle” is anti-Semitic? Have you quotes , dates? It has clearly been critical of Israeli government actions in Gaza and has published interviews with Palestinian Islamic Jihad. OP posted a link from the Pew Institute and you are indirectly accusing her of anti-semitism

Eh and my post was deleted. For poi ti g put that the Cradle is pro Hamas okay yeah sure. And you wonder why Hewishmothers are leaving MN.

@TimeTravellingTyrion I didn't report your post but it probably has something to do with what @Kindatired mentioned and you indirectly accusing the OP of antisemitism.

Well for one thing there are the multiple articles calling Hamas the resistance and the hostages prisoners of war. And some stuff about zionist influence, which I know were supposed to pretend is not an antisemitic dogwhistle these days but sorry I still think smells quite iffy.

Yes, how dare I poi t out that OP has li ked to an antisemitic website. Apparently that's worse that actual antisemitism.

Can you please poi t out where I accused OP, I directly or otherwise, of antisemitism? As far as I can remember I've never actually said anything about the OP of this thread, directly or indirectly.

The only one labelling the site as "Pro Terrorist" is you or JonSnow who was also deleted. Just because someone believes it to be so, doesn't mean that a site is antisemitic. Accusations that posters are themselves antisemitic are serious allegations without evidence.
Legally due to the current illegal occupation the Palestinians do have a legal right to "resistance". Some websites therefore do refer to any peoples fighting occupation as resistance, that is not in and of itself antisemitic.
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2017/7/20/palestinians-have-a-legal-right-to-armed-struggle

Personally I think anyone who thinks of Hamas, who are an antisemitic terrorist group responsible for the rape murder kidnap and torture of civilians, as "the resistance", is antisemitic and pro Hamas. Maybe I'm just more sensitive to antisemitic buzzwords. But October 7th wasn't resistance and frankly fuck anyone who thinks it was.

’Israeli Prison Guards Filmed Abusing Detainees; Prison Service Says It's a 'Routine Exercise'

Photos and videos obtained by Haaretz show dozens of detainees lying on their stomachs in handcuffs, some without clothing, while a guard dog barks over them. No unusual incident took place in the prison to prompt the guards' actions

Israeli Prison Service personnel in the security wing of Megiddo Prison handcuffed and humiliated detainees on Friday morning, despite no unusual incident occurring in the prison.

(This the Haaretz brief version. I do not have the full report which includes the video. I cannot yet see this story or video published in other approved news outlets like The Times of Israel, BBC, CNN etc.)

Like Sde Teiman, Megiddo prison is a notorious Guantanamo like prison.

Well for a start there's The Cradle's key columnist and website owner Sharmine Narwani, a virulent antisemite who is paid by, and lobbies for, the Iranian regime. Sharmine loves nothing more than to shout that Israel has 'no right to exist'. She lives and breathes Jew-hatred and has been spewing it online for well over a decade now. HTH.