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GlossyChipmonk · 23/06/2024 09:55

And here we have today the news of the IDF tying an injured Palestinian to the front of their jeep. Their inhumanity on display for the world to see they absolutely don’t give a fuck about any Palestinian - and they absolutely don’t view them as humans. What disgusting racists they are.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqq5n8911do

man strapped to jeep

Israeli army strapped wounded Palestinian to jeep

The Israeli military says the man was a suspect in a raid in the West Bank, but its forces violated protocol.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqq5n8911do

SharonEllis · 23/06/2024 18:20

EasterIssland · 22/06/2024 15:41

Are al aljazeera journalists terrorists ? Di you have proof of it

Not all of them but this guy appears to be nypost.com/2024/06/09/world-news/gaza-journalist-held-3-hostages-in-his-home-with-his-family-israeli-military-says/

Kindatired · 23/06/2024 20:48

@SharonEllis This man was not a regular reporter with AlJazeera. He contributed to a single op ed more than 5 years ago. He was likely a long term part time terrorist writing occasional propaganda pieces for an on-line ( and I suspect, Iran backed), US publication.According to the Times of Israel, he was previously a spokesman for the Gaza labour ministry in the Hamas run administration and his family had strong ties to the organisation at a number of levels, so a single op ed would obviously have a public interest aspect in the sense that if you want to know what’s going on in Gaza you’d ask an Hamas insider.

However, it seems that the piece in question was more of an advocacy/ propaganda piece about maltreatment of Palestinians in Israeli jailsand the stories of his interviewees speak for themselves. Aljamal co- wrote 7 introductory paragraphs- outlining that there were 5000+ Palestinians in prison, 250of them children and almost 500 of them interned without trial (“administrative detention”).The alleged purpose of the piece was to highlight mistreatment of prisoners and the likely deterioration of their treatment if a proposed clampdown on prisoner rights went ahead.The remainder of the piece basically consisted of detailed personal accounts of alleged mistreatment in Israeli jails- written in the first person by a variety of people- male female, young, old. The accounts seem to be pretty consistent with what human rights organisations have reported but obviously it’s not possible to state if they are factual or not from the article.

The co- author of the piece was the editor of the Palestine chronicle- Aljamal’s regular gig. Al Jazeera stated the following disclaimer in relation to the piece:
“The views expressed in this article are the authors’ own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera’s editorial stance”

So make of that what you want but to me it doesn’t particularly discredit Al Jazeera.Also, we don’t know at what stage Aljamal took up terrorism- it might have been after this point that he took that step. Should a news organisation consult an astrologer every time a human interest piece is published , just in case the journalist decides to become a kidnapper

GlossyChipmonk · 23/06/2024 20:56

@SharonEllis

no surprise that you don’t give a shit about Palestinian children being slaughtered by the IDF.

you extreme racism is deeply unsettling.

ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 21:10

Kindatired · 23/06/2024 20:48

@SharonEllis This man was not a regular reporter with AlJazeera. He contributed to a single op ed more than 5 years ago. He was likely a long term part time terrorist writing occasional propaganda pieces for an on-line ( and I suspect, Iran backed), US publication.According to the Times of Israel, he was previously a spokesman for the Gaza labour ministry in the Hamas run administration and his family had strong ties to the organisation at a number of levels, so a single op ed would obviously have a public interest aspect in the sense that if you want to know what’s going on in Gaza you’d ask an Hamas insider.

However, it seems that the piece in question was more of an advocacy/ propaganda piece about maltreatment of Palestinians in Israeli jailsand the stories of his interviewees speak for themselves. Aljamal co- wrote 7 introductory paragraphs- outlining that there were 5000+ Palestinians in prison, 250of them children and almost 500 of them interned without trial (“administrative detention”).The alleged purpose of the piece was to highlight mistreatment of prisoners and the likely deterioration of their treatment if a proposed clampdown on prisoner rights went ahead.The remainder of the piece basically consisted of detailed personal accounts of alleged mistreatment in Israeli jails- written in the first person by a variety of people- male female, young, old. The accounts seem to be pretty consistent with what human rights organisations have reported but obviously it’s not possible to state if they are factual or not from the article.

The co- author of the piece was the editor of the Palestine chronicle- Aljamal’s regular gig. Al Jazeera stated the following disclaimer in relation to the piece:
“The views expressed in this article are the authors’ own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera’s editorial stance”

So make of that what you want but to me it doesn’t particularly discredit Al Jazeera.Also, we don’t know at what stage Aljamal took up terrorism- it might have been after this point that he took that step. Should a news organisation consult an astrologer every time a human interest piece is published , just in case the journalist decides to become a kidnapper

I haven't been following this story in recent days. Has it been confirmed that he was a willing participant in terrorism?

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SharonEllis · 23/06/2024 21:24

GlossyChipmonk · 23/06/2024 20:56

@SharonEllis

no surprise that you don’t give a shit about Palestinian children being slaughtered by the IDF.

you extreme racism is deeply unsettling.

I haven't said anything remotely racist. Don't be so silly.

GlossyChipmonk · 23/06/2024 21:44

@SharonEllis

as with the previous racist poster, to come onto a thread which is discussing the tragic slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians and 1. Not acknowledge the criminal behaviour by the IDF and 2. Try to deflect the discussion to a different matter is deeply racist. You know that. Shame on you.

SharonEllis · 23/06/2024 21:47

GlossyChipmonk · 23/06/2024 21:44

@SharonEllis

as with the previous racist poster, to come onto a thread which is discussing the tragic slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians and 1. Not acknowledge the criminal behaviour by the IDF and 2. Try to deflect the discussion to a different matter is deeply racist. You know that. Shame on you.

Just repeating a ridiculous personal accusation doesn't make it true.

GlossyChipmonk · 23/06/2024 21:53

@SharonEllis

You are wrong. i’ve explained why it is racist.

perhaps you can explain your lack of recognition of the subject of this thread? It’s almost like you don’t want to acknowledge the war crimes of the IDF?

MoMo999 · 24/06/2024 01:34

The "hate marches" make it unsafe narrative has resurfaced recently and someone mentioned on another thread how legitimate criticism of Israel is being demonised these days.

I found the below on X/ twitter and thought it was an encouraging to hear accepting there is no hate in the vast majority of peace protestors. I also attach the link from a video by Miriam Margoyles for the Australian Council of Jews - which seems sensible and well balanced. I really think it helps to amplify these voices.

https://x.com/i/status/1793502181842399616
https://x.com/i/status/1776399171031015700

x.com

https://x.com/i/status/1793502181842399616

Vittuunterroristit · 30/06/2024 21:31

MoMo999 · 24/06/2024 01:34

The "hate marches" make it unsafe narrative has resurfaced recently and someone mentioned on another thread how legitimate criticism of Israel is being demonised these days.

I found the below on X/ twitter and thought it was an encouraging to hear accepting there is no hate in the vast majority of peace protestors. I also attach the link from a video by Miriam Margoyles for the Australian Council of Jews - which seems sensible and well balanced. I really think it helps to amplify these voices.

https://x.com/i/status/1793502181842399616
https://x.com/i/status/1776399171031015700

So your another one who just happens to stumble across a pro-Hamas anti-Semitic twitter account and decides to post it here.

Kindatired · 30/06/2024 22:14

@Vittuunterroristit
Bernie Saunders is not a randomer- he would probably be in Biden’s place now if it weren’t for AIPAC. And he’s not pro Hamas- he is pro justice. And he’s Jewish himself and proud of it.
Miriam Margoyles was on National radio yesterday here in Ireland expressing her views - she’s a prominent international figure, also Jewish and proud of it. She is not pro Hamas- that is a libellous statement.

Vittuunterroristit · 30/06/2024 22:48

Kindatired · 30/06/2024 22:14

@Vittuunterroristit
Bernie Saunders is not a randomer- he would probably be in Biden’s place now if it weren’t for AIPAC. And he’s not pro Hamas- he is pro justice. And he’s Jewish himself and proud of it.
Miriam Margoyles was on National radio yesterday here in Ireland expressing her views - she’s a prominent international figure, also Jewish and proud of it. She is not pro Hamas- that is a libellous statement.

For fuck's sake, I know who Bernie Saunders and Miriam Margolyes are, and I wasn't calling either of them pro-Hamas.

I was referring to the umyaznemo.

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https://x.com/umyaznemo

Kindatired · 01/07/2024 22:07

@Vittuunterroristit
She seems to be a young Palestinian woman who has been forced to leave her home because of Israeli occupation. She clearly hates the state of Israel because of her personal experience . Her point of view seems to be that armed resistance is justified when peaceful protest is suppressed. She has little sympathy for IDF casualties. Some of her posts are insensitive but most seem accurate. Miriam Adeldon will probably buy the US elections. Hamas is well known to recycle unexplored Israeli ordinance into rockets that it fires back. Israeli soldiers have been shown behaving inappropriately with women’s underwear, but labelling an entire country as perverts is not on. The clip showing the funeral is definitely very disrespectful of the Jewish religion as well as her comments about the bereaved mother experiencing delusional thinking. The spitting images clip is also shared by Jews sans frontiers and it is accurate.
https://x.com/jewssf/status/940625093847404544
So while she is anti Israeli, insensitive and disrespectful of the Jewish religion and seems to be of the opinion that IDF are fair game I don’t see much specifically pro -Hamas.

x.com

https://x.com/jewssf/status/940625093847404544

Vittuunterroristit · 02/07/2024 08:31

Kindatired · 01/07/2024 22:07

@Vittuunterroristit
She seems to be a young Palestinian woman who has been forced to leave her home because of Israeli occupation. She clearly hates the state of Israel because of her personal experience . Her point of view seems to be that armed resistance is justified when peaceful protest is suppressed. She has little sympathy for IDF casualties. Some of her posts are insensitive but most seem accurate. Miriam Adeldon will probably buy the US elections. Hamas is well known to recycle unexplored Israeli ordinance into rockets that it fires back. Israeli soldiers have been shown behaving inappropriately with women’s underwear, but labelling an entire country as perverts is not on. The clip showing the funeral is definitely very disrespectful of the Jewish religion as well as her comments about the bereaved mother experiencing delusional thinking. The spitting images clip is also shared by Jews sans frontiers and it is accurate.
https://x.com/jewssf/status/940625093847404544
So while she is anti Israeli, insensitive and disrespectful of the Jewish religion and seems to be of the opinion that IDF are fair game I don’t see much specifically pro -Hamas.

I had a quick scroll through the account when the link was first posted and there was a post calling Hamas the real heroes, right next to one about Jewish refugees saying "we should never have let them in".

I wonder if an Israeli had been forced to leave their home because of Hamas and started posting Islamaphobic comments and celebrating the deaths of Palestinians you'd be quite as quick to leap to their defence.

Vittuunterroristit · 02/07/2024 09:01

She also had a bunch of posts on Oct 7th celebrating it. Which is par for the course for some of the accounts posted here.

BelleHathor · 02/07/2024 09:08

Vittuunterroristit · 02/07/2024 09:01

She also had a bunch of posts on Oct 7th celebrating it. Which is par for the course for some of the accounts posted here.

That's a serious accusation. Can you provide proof please?

Vittuunterroristit · 02/07/2024 10:16

BelleHathor · 02/07/2024 09:08

That's a serious accusation. Can you provide proof please?

https://twitter.com/umyaznemo/status/1710641725788573896

Warning, it contains footage from the Oct 7th attacks.

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https://twitter.com/umyaznemo/status/1710641725788573896

BelleHathor · 02/07/2024 10:45

Vittuunterroristit · 02/07/2024 10:16

https://twitter.com/umyaznemo/status/1710641725788573896

Warning, it contains footage from the Oct 7th attacks.

Thanks, Raina is obviously extremely anti-occupation. Posts like her typing "Karma" need to be seen as it does reflect a sizeable (and growing) contingent who see/saw October 7th as an inevitable consequence of the Palestinian situation.

It also has to be remembered that tensions were high as a Palestinian teenager had just been murdered in Huwara. https://x.com/umyaznemo/status/1710260655322792041

That said, I can see how this could be interpreted as being Pro Hamas and could make people feel unsafe.

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https://x.com/umyaznemo/status/1710260655322792041

Vittuunterroristit · 02/07/2024 11:12

Interpreted? Bloody hell. She called the innocent people running from terrorist attackers (sorry, "the indigenous people of Palestine" )cowards and you're making excuses for her?

I'm sure you'd be just as quick to excuse someone making similar comments about the murder of Palestinian civilians.

ConnieCounter · 02/07/2024 17:57

It mentioned that their family home was targeted. Another war crime.

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Kindatired · 02/07/2024 19:10

@Vittuunterroristit
Now you point it out, it’s clear- unless you play the video, though it looks like a blurry video of people getting chased off a farm and her caption refers to them as “settlers” which is inaccurate. The landscape also should have given a clue
Definitely pro-Hamas in this post - you are right
This twitter account really shows how young people with valid grievances are tipped into supporting terrorists and prolonging the cycle of violence

Vittuunterroristit · 02/07/2024 19:22

Kindatired · 02/07/2024 19:10

@Vittuunterroristit
Now you point it out, it’s clear- unless you play the video, though it looks like a blurry video of people getting chased off a farm and her caption refers to them as “settlers” which is inaccurate. The landscape also should have given a clue
Definitely pro-Hamas in this post - you are right
This twitter account really shows how young people with valid grievances are tipped into supporting terrorists and prolonging the cycle of violence

She thinks all Israelis are settlers, because Israel isn't a real country, it belongs to Palestine and must be destroyed.

And no, I'm not trawling through that vile individual's twitter account for "proof".

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