Boycotting Israeli products/services

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I’m trying my best to support the boycott. For those doing the same - what products/services are you using instead?

The hardest one for me has been giving up on going to Disney Paris next year. I had planned it as a joint birthday present, kids will be the perfect age. But I can’t stand in Disney with my kids knowing they support a regime killing kids.

Any good alternatives to Disney, or any other brand on the list?

I agree but this conflict is being exploited ( and to some degree caused? ) by countries that have no interest in either Palestinians or stability in the region.
And the conflict is affecting innocent people in other countries who are being targeted for their race or religion.
Im very irritated by people who have no connection with the region but find the aspects of the conflict exciting,” joyous” etc .

@quantumbutterfly the post wasn't aimed as a tit for tat, I just thought the poster who referenced support of India might not be aware that alot of it is rooted in Islamophobia, which I see they have taken on board so that's all there is to it.
There's no need to make fun of it. Perhaps have a read of why Modi was labelled that after the horrific violence against Muslims during the Gujarat riots and the role he played in it

It seems to me Mellowdramadrama that there is often one or two in life who can't accept that people don't agree with them and also don't care if they don't like that.

Hence the importance of not getting dragged into rabbit holes. Have a lovely evening!

Aah yes - it’s very important to know that not everyone will agree with our views and we have to rub along with others regardless.
We are lucky to live in a society where we have that privilege. It’s our duty to preserve it for everyone else.

I am not sure and we may never know as MN deleted @PeasfullPerson' post.

Been at a fundraiser for Gazan children this morning and asked about alternative services/ products you can use when boycotting Israel, OP. Someone mentioned Parc Asterix in Paris and this article that has other theme parks in Europe: https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/travel/theme-parks-cheaper-alternative-disneyland-paris-2950699 - the ones in Denmark, Italy and Netherlands were particularly recommended.

Haven't read all posts on this thread as it's long, so you may have received it before, but thought I'd share it in case. Right just popped back to pick up some more cakes for the kids to enjoy at the fundraiser! Hoping our auction beats the several thousand we raised last time.

Glad it bothered you :)

Not really, I'm just in awe of you having so much time on your hands.

Derailing thread again - time to ignore you again. I'm out - you're the one with so much time on your hands you follow people who mostly ignore you around on threads, which is no end of creepy and clearly bothered. Looks like you are projecting, again. Bye bye.

You had a similar aggressive post deleted, didn't you?

There are people here who appear to turn a blind eye to the suffering of Palestinians, while arguing only for the rights of Israelis and Jewish people.
I find it difficult to believe they come to listen and discuss issues, with the intent of finding a way forward that benefits everyone, and not one that only benefits their chosen group.
What is the point of entering into a discussion with those whose prior words demonstrate they do not wish to do so in good faith, and with the best interest of humanity as a whole at heart.
Boycotting helps everybody in the long run, by ultimately putting pressure on governments to change their ways. The current Israeli campaign is only good for a
small selection of Israelis.
Boycotting does not have to be all or nothing, it needs to be whatever is practical and sustainable for an individual, it is a choice and not a directive.

The new UK attorney general Richard Hermer was critical of the Tory bill to disallow councils from boycotting Israel.

Perhaps the UK government will consider- like the US government has, that targeted boycott Israeli companies operating from the occupied territories does have a play a role in influencing politics of Israel.

I am beginning to have increased respect for our new PM. Hermer is Jewish with family in the IDF. One of those people who shows that it does take courage to speak the truth.

“He was one of several high-profile Jewish lawyers to call for Israel to be guided by the law in its response to the Hamas attacks on 7 October. Harmer warned Labour that the boycott, divestment, sanctions bill, designed to ban public bodies from boycotting Israel and other countries, would have “a profoundly detrimental impact on the UK’s ability to protect and promote human rights overseas”.

amp.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/07/familiar-faces-but-not-all-from-politics-meet-the-surprise-labour-ministers

thanks @Polka83

That's really interesting

Boycotting the products of a country because it’s fighting against a terrorist group is insane and won’t help anyone except the terrorists. In reality much of this (eg Disney, marks and spencer, Pizza Hut, McDonalds, etc) is nothing to do with israel, just that people perceive (rightly or wrongly) that those companies are owned by Jewish people. It’s the same as we saw in Nazi Germany before WW2.

if you really want to boycott israel- give away your smartphone. It’s full of Israeli tech. And go read a history book.

Boycotting the products of a country because it’s committing war crimes is not insane.

i corrected your sentence

No, you changed it from a correct sentence to an incorrect one.

Sure.

Why is it unreasonable or insane to choose not to give one's own money to companies that pay taxes that fund (or that otherwise contribute to) the activities of a government which is acting in a way which is against one's own values?

Of course it’s not unreasonable or insane.

I can’t understand the it’s just like WW2 and you need to read a history book. are they really so arrogant to assume people aren’t familiar with recent history?

It’s nothing like WW2 when Jewish people were persecuted for being Jewish. Boycotts are intended to put pressure on businesses connected with the state of Israel which it is hoped will in turn put pressure on the state to cease a genocide. Because money talks.

I actually think the state of Israel has a right to exist but they don’t have a right to commit a genocide.

I can’t understand the it’s just like WW2

I don't think boycotting Israeli products can be compared to WW2 either, but what the boycotts are doing is adding fuel to the awful antisemitic climate we find ourselves in. 2000 French Jews have applied to leave France in the last few days. I wonder if you find that as shocking as I do.

It might not be "just like WW2" in your book, but a lot of Jewish people are very, very frightened just now and we are indeed seeing many parallels. Just because you don't understand the parallels (or even deny them) doesn't mean they're not there. So perhaps there could be a bit more sensitivity about how Jewish people are interpreting the boycotts.

It isn’t just like WW2 which I have no doubt I am as familiar as with as you as I have a keen interest in history. I’ve also visited synagogues in Eastern Europe because I have an interest in Jewish history and culture. But you seem extremely keen to paint me as anti-Jewish.

I not even anti-Israel, I am however anti genocide.

Ultimately Jewish people are being persecuted in Europe currently because the state of Israel is murdering civilians. I don’t agree with it just to be clear, but do you expect no one to boycott or protests Israel’s actions in case it leads to Jewish people being targeted. What would you suggest that we just let a state continue to butcher kids?

Sigh

For me it’s much like protesting against and boycotting apartheid South Africa.

Protesting against a grotesque injustice.

That doesn’t make me anti-white South African, and it doesn’t make me antisemitic either.

It’s protesting against a genocide happening in front of our eyes and streamed to our phones, every day.

If a boycott makes the Israeli government uncomfortable, it is supposed to. A boycott was key to bringing an end to apartheid.

And I’m fairly sure that many Israelis, along with prominent Jewish academics, historians, charities, human rights organisations, NGOs, and public figures agree.

Although have to say, I’ve yet to see any real boycott at all.

i assume the “sigh” isn’t directed at the genocide.