Boycotting Israeli products/services

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I’m trying my best to support the boycott. For those doing the same - what products/services are you using instead?

The hardest one for me has been giving up on going to Disney Paris next year. I had planned it as a joint birthday present, kids will be the perfect age. But I can’t stand in Disney with my kids knowing they support a regime killing kids.

Any good alternatives to Disney, or any other brand on the list?

Israel has the most advanced equipment in the world. They could easily pinpoint where the hostages are if they wanted to.

This statement almost calls for the MN cliché ‘are you on glue?’

Please tell.me you're really not that naive! When Shani Louk's body was being spat at, Gazans were doing it to appease Hamas. Oh please.

@SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice do you believe the civilians, who spat on Shani's body, were being oppressed by Hamas?

Of course the hostages' families want everything possible done to secure their release. If it was someone in my family I would feel the same (especially if the abducted captive was a young woman. Have you read the words of the released hostage forced to strip and perform a sex act on her captor?)

But that doesn’t make it the best option in the longer view. It would clearly only encourage further similar abductions (and Hamas have already stated their intention of repeating the October 7th actions again and again until they get their way).

Do you really think that if the hostages had been released 9 months ago, and the rapists and murderers brought to justice, anyone at all would have supported Israel in the actions they subsequently took?

And no, Hamas has not accepted the US peace deal - they simply said they were "ready to negotiate", which is very different.

It must make life very easy to see the world in such simple terms.

Are you concerned about the many regimes "killing kids" in other countries, or oppressing women and girls, or is it for some reason only this conflict that interests you? How about the approx. 600,000 dead so far in Syria? The entire female population of Afghanistan forced to cover themselves up and prevented from even getting an education?

And before someone shouts "Deflection! Whataboutery!", how else is it possible to expose double standards or hypocrisy?

Yes, two posters did say Hamas had built all the tunnels under Gaza. One said with billions of siphoned off aid money, the other said from rubble of bombed buildings as best as I can recall. It was those two posts that caught my eye.

Yes, my initial post not only said that Gaza has had tunnels for thousands of years so it is unlikely Hamas built all of them, but would have modified and updated many. I also mentioned in my initial post that it is know that in the early 2000s Hamas did build new tunnels into Egypt but that these were demolished on the Egyptian side in 2013 as a result of the Israel-Egypt security agreement.

I am not sure anyone can say Hamas ‘vastly expanded’ the tunnels as they are as if yet, largely unmapped have been a constant over centuries. You’d need archaeologists to have access to map and survey the tunnels to determine which are newly made and which are ancient or medieval or even early modern. Since, Israel banned all import of concrete into the strip in 2014- that gives Hamas only 9 years of access to concrete- 9 years versus at least 2,500 years of history recording Gazan tunnels being used in warfare. Hamas never had modern tunnelling equipment either so would have used older manual methods as did their ancestors in 332 BC when fighting Alexander the Great.

Thanks for the link to the blog, however it doesn’t have any history pre2000 on the Gazan tunnels and repeats the now debunked allegation of an underground command centre under Al Shifa Hospital.

@SharonEllis
“Or this guy, hiding hostages in his home under cover of being a 'journalist' https://nypost.com/2024/06/09/world-news/gaza-journalist-held-3-hostages-in-his-home-with-his-family-israeli-military-says/“

I agree this is concerning, and Israel should allow an independent investigation into these serious allegations, which are being denied by eyewitnesses and other journalists in the Gaza Strip. Yes Abdallah Aljamal was killed as one of 274 Palestinians during the hostage raid earlier this month. But it is unclear how IDF are linking him to the hostages.. See this:

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/abdallah-aljamal-1987-2024-well-known-journalist-murdered-in-gaza/

for the record, I believe both accounts to be equally plausible but since they directly conflict each other, the best way to resolve the conflict is for Israel’s government to allow in independent investigators from the ICC and UN to find the truth. If the Israeli government continues to refuse, then I would wonder at their motivations. After all, if Aljamal was holding hostages in his home as a terrorist, that would make him a war criminal.

@MoMo999

So you're not able to substantiate your claims. Thanks for confirming.

? Then what is the case currently going through the ICJ filed by South Africa?

The ICC is a different international court- it tries individual war criminals.

https://theatlasnews.co/analysis/2024/06/17/an-examination-of-south-africas-genocide-case-against-israel/

I feel boycotting Israels products makes some people uncomfortable hence the full derailment of this thread. I

like another poster said do as little as much as you are comfortable with, even if it’s Israeli carrots

We were discussing how Hamas seized power in the Gaza Strip and the story that they were peacefully elected by terrorist supporters is a bit of an oversimplification.

Yes, Hamas won an election for the Gaza Strip, but that was promptly overturned by the Palestinian Authority.

It wasn’t until months later when Hamas win was publicly endorsed by US President George Bush, the EU, Russia and UN that Hamas staged their six-day military coup.

If the PA’s decision to overturn the election had not been challenged by the most powerful nations in the world, would Hamas ever have taken over? I think it is a fair question tbh.

The point is, if we say the Gazans then who voted for Hamas were terrorist supporters, then surely the same applies to US President George Bush, the UN, Russia and EU (which included the U.K. at the time) because this entire list all pushed for Hamas to get rule over Gaza….

After all, not only did Gazans back Hamas at the time, but so did the rest of the world.

Obviously, US President George Bush wasn’t a terrorist supporter, nor were Russia or the EU or the UN in 2006 so it seems a bit unfair to blame Gazans for an overturned vote while ignoring the major part our own governments played in clearing Hamas’ way to power.

Better add Pepsi to your list OP.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hkz3fmgl0

If you did not read the last two pages then are you saying that "Anyone who attempts to justify the death of innocent people in Gaza, and the destruction of their homeland, and then complains about the peaceful action of boycotting, is clearly acting from a biased perspective."

Absolutely NOBODY has even remotely suggested anything like this. What they have done is that they object to the hypocritical boycotting of Israeli goods and services whilst ignoring the plight of other countries who intentionally kill other people and strangely focus directly and solely on a country desperately trying to prevent annihilation from another country's expressed intention.

I think it would be hypocritical not to boycott Israel.

Have a look at the cases currently filed with the ICJ for genocide- we have three Russia, Myanamar, and Israel.

I still participate in the boycotts of Russia and Myanamar. Why should Israel be the exception?

I don’t think you can honestly say that we have ignored the plight of Ukranians or the Rohingya.

A lot of goal post moving going on in your posts. I suggest that you do some research and do come back to us with information on equipment that can pinpoint a hostage underground.

Worst crimes against humanity ever recorded? Seriously. The holocaust and 7/10 say hello. Sheesh.

By rights, your post should be deleted.

You need to calm down and learn some basic research skills before throwing wild accusations around. Seriously. Read a history book.

Let’s delete it then we don’t have to acknowledge what’s happening to the children in Gaza. Then we don’t have to acknowledge the disgraceful behaviour of the soldiers. Again the list goes on.

This is absolutely outrageous, nonsensical lies. Reported.

Well you’re a great big liar, aren’t you?