Boycotting Israeli products/services

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I’m trying my best to support the boycott. For those doing the same - what products/services are you using instead?

The hardest one for me has been giving up on going to Disney Paris next year. I had planned it as a joint birthday present, kids will be the perfect age. But I can’t stand in Disney with my kids knowing they support a regime killing kids.

Any good alternatives to Disney, or any other brand on the list?

I fully agree that the small minority of Israelis saying that (who have no chance at all of getting their wish) are ridiculous and wrong.

Do you agree that the same is true of all the Hamas supporters who chant it, and the millions of useful idiots who also chant it and hold banners showing it, without having more than a very sketchy idea of the history of the region, or anything more than a vague sentimental feeling that the Palestinians seem to be the underdogs in this war so they must be right?

This is just incorrect - please make sure you know your facts! The West Bank is governed by the PA. Hamas were elected as the government of the Gaza strip back in 2007.

So stunning and brave, all the way from his expensive home in Miami, Florida. Reeks of rules for thee and not for me...

Comic Relief, Children in Need, the NSPCC, the RSPCA

Why are these charities boycotted @AutumnCrow ?

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· Do not buy an engagement ring containing a diamond as it is possible that this may have been cut in Israel.

Great idea @keenforhelp

Pass that one on to everyone you know for sure folks.

This is from memory.

The RSPCA is on the list in respect of its powers to prosecute and what some posters feel is the abuse of those powers; because posters have said that when they have reported instances of neglect the RSPCA have declined to assist; and because the RSCPA has allegedly been too quick to kill ('euthanise') animals rather than actually rescue them. In other words, some posters feel that the RSPCA is misrepresenting itself while fairly aggressively fundraising. ALLEGEDLY.

Comic Relief and Children in Need are on the list in respect of their donating money to Mermaids, who are under investigation by the Charity Commission. I believe the conclusions of the Cass Report (by Dame Dr Hillary Cass) probably go some way to explaining the background to this general situation.

The NSPCC. Well, they have done a couple of webchats on MN where the organisation was widely felt to have failed to have engaged openly and honestly with posters. There are many questions than many MN users feel remain unanswered about, for example, what value the charity actually adds to statutory social services interventions, and what ideological values it holds regarding children's safeguarding.

Does that help a bit?

So you'd like to see more Israeli casualties? Or for it to be even?

Also, do you know where the UN gets its casualty stats from?

No way.

It was just a response to your justification of the killing of 10's of 1000's of civilians: "Israel were attacked in the most deliberate and barbarous manner by Gazans they had every moral right to fight back."

I just don't understand how one peoples' retaliation is 'wrong', and one peoples' retaliation is 'right'.

Can you explain fluffy?

Yes that's great @AutumnCrow

Thank you for putting all that time in to explain - it's very appreciated!

I don't understand what you mean. Hamas weren't retaliating, they initiated the attacks that led to the current situation. Then Israel responded.

We do understand and we also understand this has been in a Likud charter and has been reiterated by Netanyahu this year. Funny how it is only a problem for you when people other than Israelis say it

How did the 265 Palestinian people get killed in Gaza by Israel in 2021?

If everyone is very much agreed that From the River to the Sea is a problematic slogan, can those who go on the marches tell people to stop chanting it and holding signs of it please? It seems to be quite widespread.

Are you describing the daily actions of the Israeli army? Not only do they deliberately target and kill children they go online to boast about it.

When you say deliberately targeting children, are you referring to the strikes on school buildings?

Apparently the use of flechette shells and white phosphorous in densely populated civilian areas is now acceptable.

They might be referring to the shooting dead of 1500 Palestinian children in the last 14 years

To get back to the point: it seems as though people are struggling to differentiate between Jewish and Israeli. And between the actions of a government and their people.

If you don’t hold the Gazas responsible for their government’s actions and don’t feel the need to boycott Palestinian businesses then you are just someone with a prejudice.

Let’s be clear. The war needs to stop. What’s happening is horrific. But targeting Jewish businesses and making claims about how Israel’s actions justify this decision does make people seem ill informed and ignorant.

And can we stop with the thinly veiled ‘they’ve got what’s coming to them’. Nothing justifies violence. Hamas are wrong. Israeli government is wrong. There is no good side here. And unfortunately the people in Gaza are squashed between them with no way out because the situation is so precarious. You just have to look at how the other Arab countries are responding to Gazan refugees to see how tricky this is.

You are the one conflating two unrelated things here. "Targeting Jewish businesses" would indeed be appalling; has anyone on this thread actually suggested it?

Boycotting Israeli products and services is a different thing. It is a legitimate and time-honoured form of peaceful protest in which consumers exercise their right not to contribute to the economic wellbeing of states whose governments are flouting humanitarian norms (and in this case, international law).

The Israeli government keeps this war going, even Biden has stated that, and so boycotting Israeli businesses hits Israel with the intention of it acting as a deterrent. Hamas is a terrorist organisation - we didn't boycott Irish businesses when the IRA were active, so that would make no sense at all imo

A Jewish non-Israeli person on this thread said that their business (nothing to do with Israel) was being targeted by a boycott.

Boycotting Disney because they are only giving millions to Israel charities only

People always say this. There are plenty of people boycotting many Chinese products or brands like Shein or Temu.

targeted boycotts work. Please don’t come and get involved in where people chose to avoid spending their money. South Africa was boycotted and it worked. It’s funny how the same posters talking about how dare you target the entire Israeli population (they’re not they are targeting companies supporting the state of Israel) but also very pro the war on Gaza and the extermination of Palestinians as any means necessary but don’t see the irony of targeting a whole population in that way.