Boycotting Israeli products/services

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I’m trying my best to support the boycott. For those doing the same - what products/services are you using instead?

The hardest one for me has been giving up on going to Disney Paris next year. I had planned it as a joint birthday present, kids will be the perfect age. But I can’t stand in Disney with my kids knowing they support a regime killing kids.

Any good alternatives to Disney, or any other brand on the list?

I believe the actions of Israel have been over and above what is necessary to secure a safe defensive stance for their nation. That said I feel 19,000 rockets being fired indiscriminately into Israel to be a disproportionate act of aggression. I think Hamas could better defend their people by not putting their military strongholds and weaponry in the heart of their vulnerable civilian populations and also by not using sexual violence as their default. I suspect they do both because the first means Israel can't attack the weaponry without causing mass civilian casualties and the second angers people so much they retaliate disproportionately.

I condemn the atrocities on civilians and, as I say, any actions that contravene human rights. I absolutely condemn the use of rape and sexual violence that seems to be prevelent from both sides of this conflict.

I'm talking about the poster you were replying to, who came out with a pathetic excuse for why she isn't attempting to boycott China.

If you're one of the sadly few who not only knows what China is doing but also applies consistency, you're not who I'm criticising. Unfortunately there are clearly multiple posters on this thread who don't fall into that category. And that's just the ones who admitted it.

@Scirocco and I totally agree with you. People have to start somewhere... just because you care about this particular issue, doesn't mean you don't give a shit about all the other issues going on in the world.

Wow - you're literally clutching at straws here. The question asked is simple and yet you're brining Hamas into this?

Why is it so difficult for you to condemn state of Israel in one word without writing an essay? I means what is so difficult about it?

To the question do I also boycott other countries? China to a point, but that has more to with me assuming factory workers are being abused. As for other countries in the Middle East I know almost nothing about them with the exception of Dubai and Abu D which I will never visit and how anyone can baffles me. So yes to a point I do boycott others, but I’m probably intellectually lazy about it.

Im not anti-Jewish nor am I anti Israel or pro-Palestine if what that is interpreted as is “from the river to the sea” I.e. Jews out. Like many id support a two state solution. But of course how far back in history you go to map that out is difficult.

I’ve always had a great interest in Jewish culture and a great empathy for their persecution. I’ve visited synagogues when abroad.

What I’m watching everyday on social media is utterly horrific. It’s watching an army play tag with an entire population. So boycotting feels like doing something - if a corporation is hit hard enough they might think twice about what they support in future.

And Israel worrying it’s army is wiped out is up to them they can always withdraw. We are constantly told they having an amazing intelligence service but instead of targeted rescue missions or negotiations they are bombing small kids.

This is quite a measured response @Sunshineonasameyday thank you for answering my and @Noonecares245 question and for agreeing that this Israeli response is completely disproportionate.

Of course they aren’t.
And to your earlier question, yes it sure does make you think!

I'm not clutching at anything ive answered the question 3 times now.

Are you on any other threads standing up for countries that are in the ICJ accused of genocide? Are you on any other threads standing up for any one else on the UNs blacklist of countries that harm children or just Israel? Are you defending anyone else that is systematically starving an entire population or just Israel? Why so focused on Israel?

You are lying. Many supporters of Israel have explained in detail what aspects of Israel's response they do and don't support.

What we are disturbed by is the disproportionate focus on a tiny Jewish country, compared to dozens of other nations that have been committing atrocious human rights abuses for decades, and the refusal of many pro-Palestinians to admit the real reason why they are not giving the same attention to other countries.

Answer this: why is there more focus on Israel than on other nations which are committing comparable/even worse human rights abuses?

If you can't answer, I can only assume you have a more fundamental and sinister issue with Israel and its racial fabric.

@Noonecares245 I think it's as good as we'll get and I for one am glad @Sunshineonasameyday has agreed that the response is disproportionate, and therefore, the Palestinians are being subjected to collective punishment.

Shame you wouldn't go further @Sunshineonasameyday but each to their own views.

Posters write thoughtful replies to your rude and demanding questions and you continue to hector them!

If Israel withdraws its army we will be seeing Israel and it's population wiped out. A second holocaust in under 100 years.

They're doing this deliberately to take the heat off Israel - it won't work though. The topic is Israel and it's actions - we should focus on that and get clarity from the supporters of Israel wehther or not they condemn Israeli actions/genocide.

As it stands, not one from that group has condemned it in simple yes/no answer and it just goes on to show where they stand morally.

Yes, I'm very outspoken about certain human rights absuses, especially the plight of Christians in Pakistan and Nigeria, and have had several conversations online about it. I also receive journals in the post that keep me up to date with the latest that's going on in countries where religious minorities do not have equal rights, and every month I give to a charity that helps such minorities rebuild their livelihoods after persecution.

Wiped out by who? Other Arab states? What would be the rationale for it?

What has Israel done wrong? They were attacked first! Why is it so acceptable to be anti Israel but everyone's terrified of offending other religions and cultures?

You badger her to answer a question she's already answered, and when she does you complain the answer is too long?

The bottom line is if Israel falls it gives carte blanche for the genocide of Jews globally. The tensions are bubbling in every corner of the world right now and this conflict is no longer just about Gaza.

Your answers bear no relation to what you're replying to. You're having a conversation with yourself.

Because the poster can only cope with debate in handy 140 character long sound bites with a handy meme attached, ignoring the complexity of the politics of the region.

Read again - the question was about Israel - not about any other group/conflict and yet she/he/they struggled to answer it. I don't understand why it's so difficult? Do you?

From the river to the sea...

@Noonecares245 I know, and I agree with you, I really do. The MO seems to be to deflect or to scream antisemitism, (which I've already said I think is ridiculous because very few people supporting Palestine where I'm from give a shit that these people are Jewish, literally couldn't care less, they're murdering children, that's what matters) but thankfully we live in democracies, with free speech and people will differ in their opinions. And I do actually think @Sunshineonasameyday have a pretty measured response

I didn't struggle to answer your question my answer just went over your head.