40,000 people march through London calling for the release of the hostages.

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Bravo UK!

"In one of the biggest shows of UK solidarity with Israel since October 7, over 40,000 people marched through London on Sunday afternoon, calling for the hostages to be released.
In a sea of yellow ribbons and balloons, people from across the spectrum of Anglo-Jewry and many supporters of other faiths marched from Holborn down to Whitehall, chanting “Bring them home”, waving Israeli flags, carrying posters with the words “Time is running out” and singing along to Israeli songs blasting from loudspeakers."

"Addressing the crowd of thousands outside Downing Street, Lord Stuart Polak said he had “never in my life seen such a crowd here in Whitehall. You should all be proud of yourselves."
He added that we are “haunted by the deafening silence” of international organisations and bodies who have not done enough to rebuke the actions of Hamas."

https://www.thejc.com/community/40-000-people-march-through-london-calling-for-the-release-of-the-hostages-uf4n9es1

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clkkxmmv4m9o

So if someone kills a bunch of your neighbours and kidnaps your kid and demands some criminals be released from prisons before you get him back you're ok with that?

I doubt it. I think you just haven't understood what has gone on.

I see, and would those “concerned people” be the professional agitators — drafted in by a range of left-wing “grass-roots” organisations to cause trouble? That is certainly what many people — including the police — believe.

On the subject of covering up, I just think if that if I was at a protest that prompted the police and park authorities to hide a Holocaust memorial under tarpaulin, I would know that I was at the wrong protest.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/holocaust-memorial-hyde-park-covered-palestine-march/

Obviously they're heavily policed. You really think thousands of people ranting and waving anti semitic posters around are safe to be left to do as they please? Could you personally guarantee that every person at that march would behave? All marches, especially with that amount of people, are going to be policed. And rightly so.

Any evidence at all to back that up? Or even any evidence that the protests are more heavily policed than other similar sized protests have been?

Either you want a ceasefire or you don't. Either you believe that detention without trial is wrong or you don't.

If you don't then there's no point talking to you and if you do you'll understand the importance of ceasefire and that that involves give and take, some of which will almost always be unpalatable to both sides.

No actually... they were just normal people at a protest! Why would you presume they are there to cause trouble or that they somehow deserve to be on a list for demonstrating their democratic right to protest?

So why do the Jewish people at the marches NOT cover their faces?

Aren't they, by the same logic as likely to end up on one of these lists? And if so, why are they not worried?

Could it be that they have nothing to hide perhaps?

Yes and a ceasefire could involve the "taking" of more hostages and more terror on the only Jewish state.

If I say it's not ok when Israelis say it either, will you agree it's not an ok thing to be shouting at marches? Agree that it's not a peaceful thing to be saying?

Yes because a significant minority of them don't behave.

That 60 odd million plus to police them could have built a school or hospital.

Yeah, never what YOU see as any issues.

The media has shown us plenty though.

I've seen Jewish people at the pro Palestine marches covering their faces. You ask a good question. I don't have the answer! But clearly the pro Palestine marches have reason to be afraid.

The irony of suggesting we cancel the pro Palestine marches and use the money to build more schools and hospitals... when the Israeli government are destroying them in Palestine!

No answer for this @HelenHen ?

Why would it make sense? If you want to say something just say it, no need for passive aggressive games, it's boring and I'm too old for that shit. I stopped responding to the last pro Israel poster I was trying to have a discussion with on this thread when she resorted to insults. It isn't my style. If you have something to say just do it or don't bother tagging me. Cheers.

Excuse me? Am I on a timer? 😂 please don't double post at me. Who goes back over posts demanding people reply to them? 😂

You can Google it yourself, but it's really obvious that they're heavily policed, and its common knowledge. Like I say why are people afraid to end up on lists? Do they make the same lists at all marches, or just these ones?

Oh, I thought you had stopped responding to me because you realised that trying to pretend the protests are all peaceful was a waste of time and that you were a bit embarrassed about your very awkward comments about pro-Israelis not doing enough. My bad.

I wouldn't have bothered but I saw you were still active on this thread and just omitted answering my post.

Maybe don't make accusations about the police at the protests being Islamophobic without even a shred of evidence. It's not common knowledge or fact just because you say so.

I'd assume they're afraid of ending up on lists because they know they're saying or doing something they shouldn't. That would surely be the logical conclusion. They know that eg setting off fireworks in a massive crowd is a fucking stupid thing to do, so they wear masks so they don't get caught.

But why come on this thread tbh, when you could see it was about the Free hostage march, because clearly you didn’t come on to support it or make positive comments, so we can only assume you came on it for a bun fight? There’s plenty of pro Palestine threads you could go on to discuss with like minded people, to avoid the ‘shit’ and ‘passive aggressive games’…..

Good news @HelenHen - Turns out the lists are actually people who are already persons of interest to the police, so no need for your friends to worry unless they have done something they shouldn't have prior to attending a protest. So people can stop covering their faces during the marches as they're just being paranoid / should probably go speak to the police anyway as they're already persons of interest.

I said fair play to the protesters and I hope to see more of it. Repeatedly I said I hope to see more action from the pro Israel side because calling for a ceasefire no matter what your motivation is beneficial for all. How is that not positive? I'm just not interested in tit for tat trading of insults.

The problem seems to be that I won't join in the dissing of pro Palestinian protesters because like I said calling for a ceasefire no matter who is doing it is beneficial for everyone and pro Palestinian protesters have been out there doing it week after week.

I don't think it is me that is looking for a 'bunfight' here, maybe direct some of your ire at those who are continually derailing the thread by insulting others instead of blaming their targets. I'm out now, I said what I wanted to hours ago but for some reason posters can't seem to resist tagging me to get another dig in. But yeah I'm the problem here 🙄

The naivety of people who refuse to accept that the weekly marches aren't just innocently calling for a ceasefire and who are adamant they're peaceful and refusing to see that if they were peaceful, there'd be no need to mask up. To think those marchers are in any way, shape or form part of the solution rather than the problem by further spreading hate through intimidation by terrorising everyone around them.

The arrogance of people who have had it explained to them why there aren't more major pro-Israel marches yet still think those who don't want Israel eradicated just aren't doing enough. When really, the actual issue is that they're not doing more in the exact way the poster wants them to, and therefore isn't good enough. If it's not all over social media it apparently isn't happening.

Sorry?! I have been on the Palestine March and it was not hate-filled. The people marching are grieving for the loss of so many children. I abhor what happened to people from both sides but 33 Israeli children vs 13,800 Palestinian children. That’s why I marched - it needs to stop.

Then why did the protests etc start already October 8 in some parts of the world? And by some parts I include various countries in Europe and also the US and Australia. Who were they grieving then?

We're not idiots, you know. We know that not everyone who attends the marches does so for nefarious reasons. We just also know that far too many people do. It's frustrating that people refuse to acknowledge that.

Omg. Why is no one reading @spuddy4 ’s actual post?!!!!

Such a lack of comprehension is staggering. Repeatedly. By different people. The mind boggles.