Rafah bombings (Edited by Mumsnet)

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Where the hell are all the Palestinians meant to go now?
They were TOLD to go to Rafah, that Rafah was a safe place.
It’s just open extermination at this point.

Blame Hamas, they started it and then suing their own people as HUMAN SHIELS - seriously disgusting but not as disgusting as killing innocent men, women and children along with serious beatings kidnap, rape and worse.

no wonder no other Arab country wants these trouble makers (not referring to the ordinary people that Hams uses as human shields) - look at Egypt, right next door border CLOSED!!!!!!!

Hello
FYI, I complained about the title of your thread as it was misleading. HTH

@SummerFeverVenice @Parkingt111 Golda Meir was a racist as were many in that era but I still think that quote is powerful. Sometimes people I don't like can say things I agree with

News about a new ceasefire deal is breaking now.

Thanks.
Like any terro group, those higher up the food chain are the biggest pussys and that is a fact
Take out their leaders, right had men and those living it up outside Gaza in 7 star hotels - then Gaza and Israel can live in peace

Gaza, when IDF withdrew many years ago, Gaza could have become a very rich, prosperous holiday destination judging by all of the money Arab countries gave to it along with the other countries inc west via aid etc

However, the cowards higher up the Hamas food chain look after their pockets and families first and the people of gaza and the ordinary people of Israel are just pawns in their lifestyles

No wonder Egypt wont take in the homeless from Gaza, no Arab country wants them

Just hand back the hostages - and most of this will end right now

Newbutoldfather says 'Are you trying to totally divorce Israel’s actions from the atrocity that started it? Maybe you should just clearly state that Jewish lives don’t matter to you.'

and my reply is

Are you trying to totally divorce Hamas's actions from the atrocities that started it? Maybe you should clearly state that Palestinian's lives don't mattet to you'

@Newbutoldfather would you mind sharing where you read it please? Thank you

https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1OyKAWpdPzwJb

Al Jazeera Live, hopefully there will be confirmation soon.

Sorry tagged the wrong person
Thank you

Sorry about the IOF! First time I hear it as so.

I'm baffled, honestly. Are you aware that Israel kills innocent Palestinian men, women and children and have done for a long time? Far more than Hamas have ever killed. That they take far more of them from their beds and torture and abuse them and have done for years? That Israel have a long documented history of using Palestinians as 'human shields'. Why aren't you giving equal blame to Israel here? Showing your disgust for the documented human rights abuses and unlawful killing carried out by Israel for decades?

You are presented a very one sided account of what has happened and ignoring Israels long history of being 'trouble makers'.

Why are you so concerned about whose fault is this or that?
All parties are guilty, oh, very guilty!
Both sides are wrong.

The question really is: who can stop it? Can it be stopped here and now? And how to build a lasting peace.
This of they did this, so we do that, so they do this, so they do that.... leads to nowhere but the same spiral of violence, death (the worst of deaths, that where your soul dies before your body), and further despair.

The energy is better spent on stopping killing civilians (at both sides of the border), get rid of current leaders, cool tempers and find leaders that can and will build peace.

What was the original title, as I didn't see it. We should all be allowed to decide for ourselves if it was misleading, or not.

Are you easily "baffled" or just plain ignorant of the facts?

Do you not understand what happened on )ct 7th and then Hams still holding hostages and using their own people who they could not give a flying F about, using them as human shields!!

Read my post again and see if you can respond to it without ignoring it and make it reelavant to my post. Ok!!

Blame Hamas, they started it and then suing their own people as HUMAN SHIELS - seriously disgusting but not as disgusting as killing innocent men, women and children along with serious beatings kidnap, rape and worse.

no wonder no other Arab country wants these trouble makers (not referring to the ordinary people that Hams uses as human shields) - look at Egypt, right next door border CLOSED!!!!!!!

Ceasefire news.
Looks like Hamas have told the Egyptian and Qatari mediators that they have agreed to ceasefire proposal.
But that is not an agreement that Israel accepts.

Hopefully all parties can continue talking. The current situation is solving nothing.

Where is the ceasefire news please?
Praying for that to go ahead.
Will this mean Israel leaves the Rafah civilians alone?

@MushMonster this is the latest on sky. It's not very clear tbh

Israel says Hamas has accepted a "softened" version of a ceasefire deal proposed by Egypt, which is "not acceptable", according to reports

Haha, I was just typing out a response to them and then came to the same conclusion as you and decided not to waste my breath.

Thanks, I have seen it on the guardian
(Just above the russian warning to UK and France)
Isn't the world crazy? Seriously, the news are like jumping back 30-40 years.

Are you OK?

It is amazing the way a U.S ultimatum to the Hamas leaders in Qatar that they will be extradited suddenly makes them care about lives.

It is always the same story, martyrdom is great until you might yourself be martyred.

They've been looking for a ceasefire for months. The reason they wouldn't agree to the deal is because there was no permanent ceasefire on the table. Israel are the ones who want to keep up the bloodshed.

Around here it has to be clarified that I don't support Hamas. But they're just facts.

Yes that is true but acceppting a ceasefire has to be agreeable to both sides and Hamas are again playing the victim cards to make themselves look like victims as they, so-called offered to accept

Looks like the proposal to go in and drive the terror group out of their holes/tunnels etc is working, ie hamas softening their stance just a little but still refusing to release all hostages

Sadly, Hams is playing a game at saving their own skin as the main stumbling point is often to do with the protection of those at the top and their little cliques - the ordinary people of Gaza are just being used as no one really believes the Hams leadership cares about them and that is a fact

@ConnieCounter ,

But of course there is no permanent ceasefire on the table. After the massacre, Hamas was never going to be left controlling Gaza. This ceasefire isn’t permanent either.

It is unacceptable for Israel and also Palestinian civilians for a terrorist group to be left in charge of Gaza.

Either Israel or Hamas could permanently stop the current war but not under terms which would meet their aims. Hamas could surrender and release the hostages or Israel could just leave Hamas in charge. Neither of those is acceptable to the other side.

(p.s How people are talking about civilian hostage taking and negotiating as if it is a normal part of conflict amazes me. )