Rafah bombings (Edited by Mumsnet)

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Where the hell are all the Palestinians meant to go now?
They were TOLD to go to Rafah, that Rafah was a safe place.
It’s just open extermination at this point.

At this point I'm beyond sick of the "what about Hamas " brigade.

What about Isreal
What about the IOF
What about the innocent civilians being murdered

Stop parroting sound bites. Just say you don't care about the systematic murder of children especially if they are Palestinian.

The election that got Hamas into power was in 2005. Nearly 20 years ago! There have been no elections since then.

According to the United Nations the majority of Palestines population is under age the age of 24 ie either not alive during that election or if they were not old enough to vote.

Netanyahu's supporters

Their recent rockets near a recently opened food crossing point had one aim and one only, to bring the Israelis into Rafah and hopefully expand the conflict.
Israel had every right to go in and destroy them.

So does the U.K. have every right to go in and destroy Israel for killing the WCK aid workers? 3 of 7 were British citizens. Is IDF “scum” too?

Israel has been saying for months they are going into Rafah and Nethanyu has repeated it daily over the past week. I tend to think the rockets had zero influence on Israel deciding to go into Rafah because 1) they’d already decided it months ago and 2) have repeatedly refused the UN, EU, many individual nations, - even the US President himself has asked them not to go into Rafah. Nope, they’ve said all along, we are going into Rafah.

Now they are going into Rafah, I really don’t understand how yesterdays half dozen rockets can be used as even a pretext, because it’s post-text.

If anyone supports their Leader, Governement and army, who perpetrate what Israel is doing now, as others have done before, they become part of it, and have to take some responsability for their transgressions, murders and genocide.

@TrudyProud ,

‘Stop parroting sound bites. Just say you don't care about the systematic murder of children especially if they are Palestinian.’

This is just a random statement. The whole situation is heart breaking but it is a war and I think that Israel do need to be held to account for the way they have prosecuted it. Civilians always die in wars and it isn’t murder. The question is whether Israel have been cavalier in their approach to civilian lives.

‘The election that got Hamas into power was in 2005. Nearly 20 years ago! There have been no elections since then.’

Well, that was my point, they abolished democracy.

Are you trying to totally divorce Israel’s actions from the atrocity that started it? Maybe you should just clearly state that Jewish lives don’t matter to you.

I don’t support him. I think he is evil and is looking to clear the entire land to build on it. I think he was mostly likely clapping his hands in glee the day Hamas drove in to Isreal and kicked all this off taking and murdering - all nicely caught on go pro vids for the world to see.

what is also sickening is the blind eye that Hamas are given. When for some reason they have thrown the people of Palestine under the bus. They knew they would be annihilated and they said they should be martyred on TV. It’s bonkers people.

if some one revealed that Netanyahu was actually paying Hamas - I’d believe them. Hamas have fucked them up big time.

What is Isreal? Who are the IOF?

Imagine having elected a government who rejected a ceasefire on 09/10
'No doubt' Netanyahu preventing hostage deal, charges ex-spokesman of Families Forum | The Times of Israel
Imagine an elected government who willingly funded Hamas
ttps://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Imagine an elected government who deliberately restrict aid to a civilian population
Democratic lawmakers tell Biden evidence shows Israel is restricting Gaza aid | Reuters
Whilst the WW (worthy westerners) club make it their sole issue that they take to the streets for
Glad the world is waking up to what the Israeli government is inflicting on the women and children, the old and the unborn in Gaza.
Ignoring lots of others, far worse situations, that luckily don't involve Jews.
Grading suffering is really despicable.
And you still come out to support them, spit on murdered hostages, wander through the fence to join in and wonder why the hand of friendship is not extended? Hmmmm
And you still come out to support war crimes and a plausible genocide. Hmmmm

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I am appalled at the horror inflicted on civilians by both Israel and Hamas. Unfortunately I cannot see a way out at the moment as Hamas will sacrifice the last civilian before any of their ideology.
Many years ago Golda Meir said something along the lines of "There will only be peace when the Arabs love their own children more than they hate ours". Sadly that is still not the case for their leaders

You do know very well the poster means Israel and IDF. Why do you have a need to derail from the thread itself?

Thank you @MushMonster . I did intend to write Isreal @keenforhelp. It was a typo.

However I was correct when I wrote IOF. Israel Occupation Forces.

I was genuinely unsure as the poster has used the word Isreal on many occasions (20 times) and this was pointed out but was still not changed . Not a derailment. Apologies if you think it was.

@QueenOfHiraeth ,

I agree re Hamas.

But , you do realise Israel has made peace with most of the Arab world now, and may yet sign a deal with the Saudis. And Arabs actually shot down Iranian drones headed for Israel.

Times are changing.

Then my comment wasn't directed at you @Hugosmaid so what's your point?

What can we do about Israeli hatred of Palestinian children? They've killed in the region of 13000-14000 of them in 7 months. And are killing more every day.

Israel (that good enough for your tally @keenforhelp ?) is now systemically killing children who didn't vote and weren't born the last time elections took place.

That is my point. The only point.

There haven't been free elections since then so this "fight" against Hamas is ridiculous. And in any case doesn't warrant the murder of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians, most of whom are children

Golda Mier was pretty racist though, she also said in 1964
”We in Israel need (Jewish) immigrants from countries with a high standard, because the future of our social structure is worrying us. We have immigrants from Morocco, Libya, Iran, Egypt and other countries with a 16th century level. Shall we be able to elevate these immigrants to a suitable level of civilization?”

Golda was a hateful racist

@Newbutoldfather You are right but I was applying the quote to Hamas, rather than all the Arab world. I was shocked at the lack of emotion from the leader who was on camera when told of the death of three sons and it brought that quote to mind

@ConnieCounter It is horrendous but, sadly, is likely to continue as long as Hamas keep attacking Israel at every opportunity and using their own people as shields. What Israel is doing is appalling but I hope there is a special place in Hell reserved for the leaders of Hamas who have plotted this from safety and luxury that has been paid for by the poor innocents they sacrifice without a care

This is no surprise. He has been saying the IDF would go into Rafah for ages now.
If any of the hostages is still alive, it is very likely they are in Rafah and most likely they will be killed and buried under rubble in an attack.
Hamas is not going to surrender or release the hostages to defend the Palestinians, because they could not care less about them.
IDF will not capture or eliminate any Hamas fighters because if there was any leader there, they had more than plenty of warning to scamper elsewhere.
What will happen is that thousands of civilians will suffer, the world will witness it all again and then.... nothing.
US has already started on the sanctions (military batallions) and they will crack down heavier. UK shall follow. UN will have another ceasefire resolution, this time they may not get that tangled with the words. Even US may vote on favour!
ICJ may have further actions for Israel.
But, nothing of this is changing what is happening on the ground. Palestinians killed, not a trace of a negotiation table on sight, Israel under pressure from rockets, international pressure, internal cracks...
Israel keeps ignoring Biden, their very very important ally, and further and further allienating itself from those democratic values Netanyahu keeps referring to, but clearly does not have. At this point, I do not see any morality or common sense left on Israel current government or the IDF. They need to go.
Same for Hamas, they are finished. They have proven enough they have no care whatsoever for their own people.
I am just looking forward, because I know that day will come, in less than a year I reckon, where neither Hamas or Netanyahu's likud will be in power, and there will be negotiations between Israel and Palestine, the final ones. When the actions are actually complied with.

Well balanced view @MushMonster

Great post

I cannot believe, it never stops amazing me (and angering me) that I was only 8 the first time I remember watching news about Israel and Palestine conflict. Then, year after year, still at war.
I can say this is the very thing that broke my faith in humankind. That it went on for years and years, into my teens. I am 46 years old now, and still going. Actually, at its worst.