Rafah bombings (Edited by Mumsnet)

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Where the hell are all the Palestinians meant to go now?
They were TOLD to go to Rafah, that Rafah was a safe place.
It’s just open extermination at this point.

Ok but I for one would take anything they report with a grain of salt

Fine.

Let's wait and see shall we ?

No, if waiting and seeing involves murdering thousands of women and children. Which it does.

Can't you see the bigger picture?

This is all part of Iran's plan to destabilize and take over the Middle East. Hamas is a small part of this along with Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood, al-Qaeda and other Iranian proxy forces.

How many deaths do you think that would cause?

The Iran/Iraq War had 500,000 casualties, 100,000 of them civilians.

That conflict has been compared to World War I in terms of the tactics used by both sides, including large-scale trench warfare with barbed wire stretched across fortified defensive lines, manned machine-gun posts, bayonet charges, Iranian human wave attacks, Iraq's extensive use of chemical weapons, and deliberate attacks on civilian targets.
The discourses on martyrdom formulated in the Iranian Shia Islamic context led to the widespread usage of human wave attacks and thus had a lasting impact on the dynamics of the conflict.

You are naive to think If Israel was removed from the map there would be peace.

Have a look at the history of The Lebanon if you want to see what could happen.

Who mentioned removing Israel from the map? Not me. I just want them to stop occupying and brutalising Palestine, and to stop preventing the formation of Palestinian state.

That is a rather short-sighted opinion.

If Israel let Hamas stay in power they will just re-group and continue to attack Israel using their citizens as 'human shields'.

Hamas is a proxy of Iran which is committed to the annihilation of the State of Israel.
Do you seriously think Hamas have any interest in a Palestinian State? They are following the orders of their puppet masters Iran to create an Islamic Caliphate across the ME, starting by removing Israel.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that.

What?

You think Hamas are interested in a Palestinian State ? Really?

I think that the Israeli authorities will be satisfied when they reach their goal - a goal that can only be something that we aren’t being told - like push the Gazan’s out of Gaza

I think this has always been the goal, pushing the 'people without a land' out of their land completely. Israel's "defence" post 7/10 is clear to the world now, it's just an upscaled version of the past 75 years of torture, land grabbing, imprisonment, and murder of women, children and of course men. Even the US can see that it's gone too far now. No one in their right mind can call this a motive of defence.

If Israel let Hamas stay in power they will just re-group and continue to attack Israel using their citizens as 'human shields'

And if the international cowards world let Israel continue to mass murder Palestinians, using Hamas as an excuse, there will be a total wipe out of Palestinian people altogether. Judging by the government rhetoric of late it is clear that is the intention.

The Iran/Iraq war was caused by Saddam of Iraq invading Iran…When that failed, Saddam then turned to invading Kuwait.

I am failing to see how this proves your catastrophic fear that Iran wants to take over the ME?

Israel has bombed rafah today with hundreds of bombs. I’ve seen there are several videos on social media and some of them speak about beheaded children (I’ve not watched any but read it on a Spanish journalist account)

It's awful and horrific. There's a thread about it if you want to join :)

IDF airstrikes reportedly carried out on 'humanitarian area' www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5083300-idf-airstrikes-reportedly-carried-out-on-humanitarian-area

It's actually the IDF that uses children as human shields.

https://x.com/A_Abdelrahman0/status/1792221907892199578

They have a history of using Palestinians, including children, as human shields going back decades. Here's a long Amnesty international report regarding the IDF using Palestinians as human shields (and other atrocities the IDF commit against the Palestinians), from 2002.

www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/mde151432002en.pdf

https://www.dci-palestine.org/israeli_forces_use_palestinian_children_as_human_shields_in_tulkarem

Human shields, you say?

Three children, aged between 12 and 14, reported to have been used as human shields in the occupied West Bank.

These are the 2 Hamas individuals IDF claim to have been targeting in the area identified by leaflet etc as a safe humanitarian zone a few days ago - where there are estimated to be 100000 displaced people in flammable tents and an UNWRA warehouse - previously attacked killing the Hamas police guarding it

''Israel’s army said its aircraft “struck a Hamas compound in Rafah“, killing Yassin Rabia and Khaled Nagar, both senior officials for the Palestinian militant group in the occupied West Bank, reports Agence France-Presse.
It added that it was:
… aware of reports indicating that as a result of the strike and fire that was ignited, several civilians in the area were harmed. The incident is under review''

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@Efacsen were the IDF incapable of using a more precise way of targeting them? They seem to act before they think.

@Efacsen so, a 'precise, targeted' attack... in the area they sent people to.

Demonstrating a claim of capability to carry out precise attacks (which we keep getting told isn't possible). And demonstrating directing civilians into harm's way.

Imagine for a second if Ukraine decides it has the right to drop bombs on every Russian town and city the contained a Russian military base, every university that educated Russian soldiers, every hospital that treated Russian soldiers. And then claimed that any civilians killed were Russia’s fault. How would the world react?
What if they then said the war would never stop until Russia could never invade again?

All these deaths and horrific burns/injuries for the sake of killing 2 high profile Hamas officials In a place where there's virtually no healthcare

And now we can all see what happens when you drop incendiary material on/near masses of flammable tents

US and the world and it's aunt warned Israel against this invasion it's not as if they didn't know

They know, they just don't care. Their statement shows that. They think killing 2 Hamas people, over 30 Palestinian civilians mainly women and children and injuring, maiming and burning hundreds of others in a refugee camp without proper healthcare is a good result. They're pleased.

and in two cases, Israeli forces fired weapons positioned on the boys’ shoulders.

I find that depraved.

Imagine using the children to kill their own.

Also the fear, the potential for burns, hearing damage, etc.

Bit of a change of tune but a bit late for 'regrets' when you've done something with a likely known outcome

''Israel’s top military prosecutor described as “very grave” an airstrike on Rafah which, according to Palestinian medics, killed at least 35 people.
Major-General Yifat Tomer Yerushalmi told a conference hosted by the Israel Bar Association:
The details of the incident are still under an investigation, which we are committed to conducting to the fullest extent.

The IDF (Israel Defense Forces) regrets any harm to non-combatants during the war.''

And with the ICJ and ICC breathing down your neck

They must have realised that this is particularly unforgettable, and hardly more forgivable than what Hamas did in ordinary people’s eyes.