Rafah bombings (Edited by Mumsnet)

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Where the hell are all the Palestinians meant to go now?
They were TOLD to go to Rafah, that Rafah was a safe place.
It’s just open extermination at this point.

The Government, who knows? Sisi is a puppet of the Egyptian military who are puppets of the USA and are happy to receive billions in "aid" from America.

The people, increasingly angry at the Government’s impotence. An Egyptian rebel group just killed an Israeli citizen whom they alleged was a spy.

Egypt receives a huge amount of funding from USA. The government of Sisi is all but a dictatorship.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68974624

The US reports it has 'paused' a shipment of bombs.

I also think the G word is sadly losing its original meaning in the way it's being bandied about by dimwits who never picked up a book on the Middle-Eastern conflict in Their Lives.

No one has been Convicted of Genocide here but it did happen in WW2 and Darfur etc

People should be ashamed to use and abuse that word to the extent that its meaning has now been SO diluted.

Total TikTok Sheep 🐑 .

And I'm not Jewish or Israeli either.

Good to see that the US is putting real pressure on Israel to limit this incursion into Rafah @Scirocco

William Burns CIA director/US negotiator visiting Netanyahu today

They have also told them to re-open Kerem Shalom now [within the next 24 hours starting yesterday] because the humanitarian aid situation is so dire

Little aid in stock, looting of warehouses in the combat/evacuation zone and running out of fuel to distribute any remaining food/medical supplies

Conflicting reports on twitter about the state of al-Najjar hospital Rafah's largest hospital which is in the middle of the combat zone

Other ways in which aid is being impeded from getting into gaza - the US pier is complete but bad weather is preventing it being towed into position and a second aid convoy from Jordan passing thro' the west bank was attacked by settlers

Where other genocides declared genocide as they were happening or did it take a few years for them to be declared and convicted for it ?

to be honest I’d rather be a tik tok sheep that is not happy with the way Israel has been behaving for years than to look to another side and pretend innocent civilians aren’t being killed

Great news that the US has paused a shipment. They are disgusting- shipping out bombs to them on the one hand and telling them to stop killing so many civilians on the other.

*were

It isn’t genocide according to most people’s understanding of the word. Israel is in no way trying to eliminate the Palestinian identity or people.

To try to make an equivalence with what the Nazis did to the Jews is wrong (very politely put). What Hamas did on October 7th on the other hand shows their genocidal intent, it was the systematic slaughter of defenceless people, many of them hippy peaceniks.

It would get closer to the (modern) definition if Israel attempted to keep Gaza and settle it and drive the Palestinians away. I don’t think that will happen. If it does, I will have to eat my words. But it is not a genocide until that intention is shown.

I know everyone on this board claims that they condemn Hamas although one attempted to separate the military wing from the political wing, when they are the same organisation with the same aim of eliminating all Jews, but I rarely see it mentioned in posts. You cannot discuss whether Israel is committing atrocities or war crimes without this context or admitting that part of their enemy’s modus operandi is the slaughter of their own people in order to win the PR battle and put pressure on Israel.

It is a complex situation with innocent civilians caught in the middle.

I have not spotted this one reported in main media UK yet.
Surely no one can hand the control of a border to a private company? This is a inter- state border. And the only one that was outside Israel direct control.

"Israel is in no way trying to eliminate the Palestinian identity or people."

I'm confused. Then can you explain the disgustingly high civilian casualty rate? The hampering of aid efforts, including the deliberate slaughter of aid workers trying to help the Palestinian people?

It was part of an agreement as well hence my surprise that Egypt is happy to loose the control over it and not say anything about it.

I don't think we're the dim-witted ones here.

@Newbutoldfather the logic there is basically that it can't really be genocide because Israel did it and you like them whereas what Hamas did must be genocide because it was Hamas and they did it to Israelis. You need to have a read of those conventions I suggested you look at yesterday

Apparently that poster thinks Israel believe Palestinians can survive on fresh air, this declaration and the fact that they followed through and tried to starve everybody and close all of their healthcare doesn't show in anyway mean they are trying to kill them all. Who knows what that poster thinks happens when there is no food or healthcare.

“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,”

No one is happy, as there is no way to get aid in now.
It is a serious danger to the border integrity of Egypt indeed, but not sure what they can say that it has not been already said.

@ConnieCounter ,

It really isn’t.

I know Jews who believe because it is Israel it can’t be bad. I am not one of them.

Israel has committed many wrongs but ultimately, they are a part of the international community and rely on them, as well as being a democratic nation (although it isn’t a perfect democracy).

The U.S is currently modifying Israel’s behaviour and I think that Netanyahu will be elected out at the first opportunity.

The opposite perspective is to look at war damage and deaths and think because it is Israel, it must be a genocide, where you don’t judge any other nations by the same standards.

Israel is neither the UK fighting the Nazis (the favoured pro Israel analogy) but nor is Hamas the ANC and Israel white apartheid South Africa (the favoured pro Palestinian analogy that I have heard). Believing either of those just leads to simplistic conclusions and totally misunderstands the plight on both sides of the conflict.

Israel says it is reopening Kerem Shalom aid crossing into Gaza

Israel was reopening the Kerem Shalom crossing on its border with the Gaza Strip on Wednesday, reports the Reuters news agency citing a statement from the Israeli agency in charge of it said.

According to the statement, aid trucks routed through from Egypt were already undergoing security inspections there.

Israel had closed Kerem Shalom crossing on Sunday after a Hamas shelling attack nearby killed four soldiers.

Of course they are. A simple question if I may, do you also think that the Holocaust survivors ( my great aunt was one) who march alongside the pro Palestinians are also being duped by Hamas or do they recognise it's a genocide because they know what one is?

I mean you should probably just read up a bit about the laws of armed conflict. Maybe that's pointless in your case because you believe IDF propaganda so you probably don't realise the atrocities that have actually been committed.

Don't mean to be insensitive here Auvergne63 but was she one of the ones who were taken hostage and endured m/ still are ensuring ? all kinds of mental and physical torture, because their perspective may well be different , not to mention horrifically reinacting their past trauma.

@NecessaryNC24 if you want someone to be notified of your post, you need to put an @ in front of their username. If you type @, you should get a drop-down menu of posters and can select the person you want to notify from there.

Wow thanks. I've been here long enough to know that many posters don't like to be @'d and if it's a thread that they've recently posted on it will show up very obviously regardless in 'I'm On'.

But what do I know 🤦🏻‍♀️

Just trying to be helpful. Quite a few people don't know it and then wonder why people miss their posts, and I've no idea how long you've been using the site. There's really no need to react like that.