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Conflict in the Middle East

Rafah bombings (Edited by Mumsnet)

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TwilightSkies · 06/05/2024 09:10

Where the hell are all the Palestinians meant to go now?
They were TOLD to go to Rafah, that Rafah was a safe place.
It’s just open extermination at this point.

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EasterIssland · 07/05/2024 21:32

Gunnersforthecup · 07/05/2024 21:28

Hamas thinks it is winning the social media war. I think all those students in tents are being duped by Hamas, poor kids.

gilan is that you?

eomeoni · 07/05/2024 21:36

Gunnersforthecup · 07/05/2024 21:28

Hamas thinks it is winning the social media war. I think all those students in tents are being duped by Hamas, poor kids.

The students in Universities and Colleges are the future politicians.

They don’t support Hamas but the freedom of the Palestinians.

ConnieCounter · 07/05/2024 21:37

Interesting influx of posters I've never seen before here who are super-fans of Israel's actions in Gaza, particularly the latest assault on Rafah.

Gunnersforthecup · 07/05/2024 21:39

Scirocco · 07/05/2024 21:31

A manner like this includes choosing to commit multiple violations of international law, to the extent that there are investigations into charges of war crimes and genocide. No country should have the right to do that.

There were alternative options which could have been used, which arguably could have been more effective in achieving aims of saving hostages and dismantling a terrorist organisation. But this was what has been chosen by a far-right government with stated aims of killing Palestinians of all ages, expanding illegal settlements and preventing the existence of a Palestinian state in any form.

I would be genuinely very interested to know how you think Israel could otherwise have proceeded, to save the hostages and dismantle a terrorist organisation.

It would have been great to have avoided the current war; but it seemed to me that Hamas laid a trap and Netanyahu followed inevitably into it.

ConnieCounter · 07/05/2024 21:42

Gunnersforthecup · 07/05/2024 21:39

I would be genuinely very interested to know how you think Israel could otherwise have proceeded, to save the hostages and dismantle a terrorist organisation.

It would have been great to have avoided the current war; but it seemed to me that Hamas laid a trap and Netanyahu followed inevitably into it.

It's actually funny how 7 months on people are still constantly asking this question, insisting that they're being genuine. It was asked a couple of pages back too.

Gunnersforthecup · 07/05/2024 21:42

Oh, I have posted before. I have been on mumsnet for about 16 years.

I am not a superfan of anything that is happening in Gaza now, far from it; but I think Hamas are vile and I am very interested in what is happening on the University campuses.

TextureSeeker · 07/05/2024 21:42

Gunnersforthecup · 07/05/2024 21:39

I would be genuinely very interested to know how you think Israel could otherwise have proceeded, to save the hostages and dismantle a terrorist organisation.

It would have been great to have avoided the current war; but it seemed to me that Hamas laid a trap and Netanyahu followed inevitably into it.

They haven't saved the hostages. They rescued 3, shot 3. The rest were released by negotiation. They haven't dismantled Hamas either.

7 months, 10s of 1000s dead and the majority of Gaza destroyed and they haven't done either of the things you have mentioned.

Gunnersforthecup · 07/05/2024 21:43

That isn't an answer though. (I suspect there is no answer.)

Gunnersforthecup · 07/05/2024 21:46

TextureSeeker · 07/05/2024 21:42

They haven't saved the hostages. They rescued 3, shot 3. The rest were released by negotiation. They haven't dismantled Hamas either.

7 months, 10s of 1000s dead and the majority of Gaza destroyed and they haven't done either of the things you have mentioned.

Right, I didn't say Israel had been successful in doing those things. I said israel fell into someone's trap.

A pp said that there were other ways that Israel could have achieved those objectives(save hostages, take out Hamas) and I said, I'm interested, tell me how.

Gunnersforthecup · 07/05/2024 21:47

who?

Gunnersforthecup · 07/05/2024 21:47

EasterIssland · 07/05/2024 21:32

gilan is that you?

sorry, who?

TextureSeeker · 07/05/2024 21:51

Gunnersforthecup · 07/05/2024 21:46

Right, I didn't say Israel had been successful in doing those things. I said israel fell into someone's trap.

A pp said that there were other ways that Israel could have achieved those objectives(save hostages, take out Hamas) and I said, I'm interested, tell me how.

So your argument is Hamas are more clever than dumb old Israel who despite their billions of dollars, their intelligence and their military support from the West just walked unknowingly into Hamas' trap and blew up most of Gaza? Poor old Israel too stupid to realise they had been duped?

eomeoni · 07/05/2024 21:53

Gunnersforthecup · 07/05/2024 21:39

I would be genuinely very interested to know how you think Israel could otherwise have proceeded, to save the hostages and dismantle a terrorist organisation.

It would have been great to have avoided the current war; but it seemed to me that Hamas laid a trap and Netanyahu followed inevitably into it.

You know by doing the right thing. Asking for exchange of hostages, the perpetrators to be brought to justice. This was planned by the military wing of Hamas. No other part of Hamas knew this was going to happen. Israel has a number of agents in Hamas. They would have easily been able to bring all involved into account.

If Netanyahu had done this the world would have supported him. This would have made relations between Israel and the Middle Eastern countries closer.

TextureSeeker · 07/05/2024 21:53

Yeah sorry, I'm going to stop helping the derailing now. The focus needs to be on those in Rafah, not eejits who think they know better than respected experts in this field.

eomeoni · 07/05/2024 21:55

TextureSeeker · 07/05/2024 21:53

Yeah sorry, I'm going to stop helping the derailing now. The focus needs to be on those in Rafah, not eejits who think they know better than respected experts in this field.

Thank You

All Eyes on Rafah

Scirocco · 07/05/2024 22:03

Gunnersforthecup · 07/05/2024 21:39

I would be genuinely very interested to know how you think Israel could otherwise have proceeded, to save the hostages and dismantle a terrorist organisation.

It would have been great to have avoided the current war; but it seemed to me that Hamas laid a trap and Netanyahu followed inevitably into it.

Examples:

Negotiations - There are reports of hostage deals having been proposed by Hamas just days after their capture. There have been multiple opportunities to come to ceasefire agreements, which could also cover options such as requiring perpetrators of crimes be handed over to an authority to face legal proceedings, etc.

Force - Israel and its international allies have the resources to engage in far more precise, targeted military operations, as has recently been demonstrated. These tactics have been used when convenient. However, Gaza has just been destroyed.

The sex and age distributions of casualties is very close to the population distributions, indicating that it is likely that reasonable steps to mitigate civilian casualties have not been taken. That's backed up by analyses of airstrike targets, video footage of military operations, eyewitness accounts, etc.

Humanitarian workers, journalists and healthcare professionals have been threatened, detained and killed.

There is evidence of aid being withheld, of 'evacuation information' being confusing or inaccurate.

There is evidence of torture and of military personnel expressing a desire and intention to kill every Palestinian, including children.

Scirocco · 07/05/2024 22:04

And with that, I'm going to stop helping the derailment.

ConnieCounter · 07/05/2024 22:05

There's so little information coming out. It's shocking that between banning foreign journalists and killing most of the local ones, and thereby scaring many of those remaining into stopping their work, we're not getting any information of the atrocities those of us with eyes and brains know are happening. It's so frightening.

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 07/05/2024 22:11

Israel promised U.S+Egypt that Rafah op is limited to taking over border crossing from Hamas, and they plan to hand over control+operation of Rafah border crossing to private U.S. contractor, ex-SpecOps doing security around Africa and Mideast,
Haaretz

ConnieCounter · 07/05/2024 22:18

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 07/05/2024 22:11

Israel promised U.S+Egypt that Rafah op is limited to taking over border crossing from Hamas, and they plan to hand over control+operation of Rafah border crossing to private U.S. contractor, ex-SpecOps doing security around Africa and Mideast,
Haaretz

So why are they killing babies then?

Itsabeautufulday · 07/05/2024 22:24

Gunnersforthecup · 07/05/2024 21:06

One side (Hamas) started it; the other side (Israel) responded. Hamas knew that their behaviour would provoke a war. It was designed to do that. They wanted to derail peace initiatives in the Middle East. I think Hamas is happy to have a war and a lot of bloodshed, and that they are happy to hide behind children, and they are happy for the children to be killed as the children then become innocent martyrs for their cause. And the world can blame Israel. I think it is a massive set up.

if Hamas is losing, they could surrender? And stop playing games hiding behind civilians? And send back the hostages, alive if possible? And stop playing games saying that they agree to made up terms of ceasefire?

Only Hamas can do this.

They could, but they won't. Hames don't care for their people, they are mere owns to them in their aims.

EasterIssland · 07/05/2024 22:31

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 07/05/2024 22:11

Israel promised U.S+Egypt that Rafah op is limited to taking over border crossing from Hamas, and they plan to hand over control+operation of Rafah border crossing to private U.S. contractor, ex-SpecOps doing security around Africa and Mideast,
Haaretz

Wasn’t this border controlled by Egypt ? Is Egypt happy about it ?

eomeoni · 07/05/2024 22:35

This little boy suffered horrific injuries in Rafah. They were looking to have him evacuated but are unable to do so.

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6rM1trKEJE/?igsh=dGlxODhobm5nbGM0

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eomeoni · 07/05/2024 22:37

This little girl passed away in yesterday’s bombing of Rafah. She was pulled from the rubble.

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6pHxJIN0ZI/?igsh=M25pbGVyZGF2dnFm

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