Rafah bombings (Edited by Mumsnet)

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Where the hell are all the Palestinians meant to go now?
They were TOLD to go to Rafah, that Rafah was a safe place.
It’s just open extermination at this point.

This is what minimal damage looks like

Trigger warning

Children whose house was bombed and they have died.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6q3utpNLAR/?igsh=MWhmbzlzZnh3ZDZtaw==

This three month old died
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6rOhJbs7Dj/?igsh=a2hwNHNpa3N1ZjJu

This is the child with burns
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6pmyJwgnn7/?igsh=MTc5c3gzZWJlZWdsMA==

Repeat, anyone, just anyone, irrespective of creed, origin, race, nationatlity- who supports this, will have to take responsibility one day- they are part of this genocide- just like so many supported or closed eyes and ears in the 1930s. Just as. THIS is NOT antisemitic.

And some people, including some posters on this site, think the world should stay silent while Israeli soldiers and Israeli weapons do this.

Totally agree 👍

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This is only "murder" and "genocide", if all war is murder and genocide.

And the war was started by Hamas, on October 7th.

It is indeed terrible; and children are dying; that happens in war; and war is terrible.

I pray that peace will come soon.

But I do not think, myself, that this is genocide.

And no, I am not Jewish.

It is, because a war has two sides. One people now is being obliterated by another = genocide.

As much as it is horrendous that civilians are being killed in a war with a terrorist government that many of them still support, this is not comparable with the Holocaust and you damn well know it.

I think it’s absolutely abhorrent that people like you are using this sound bite against the very people who are defending themselves against this happening again.

The reason so many civilians have been killed is due to their government actively wanting them to die to further their cause in a war they created.

I pray that all the Hamas leaders and operatives will give themselves up and end this hell for their people so their children can grow up in peace with a carefree childhood without being indoctrinated into wanting to kill Jews and die as martyrs. That will sadly never happen though.

And no, I’m not Jewish either.

Can I ask do you think you will feel bad for publicly stating that 'it's war, people die' and for being a genocide denier if the ICJ decide that what we have all been watching is genocide? Especially when what you have decided is against what human rights groups and independent reviews by the UN have said.

It's something I wonder about all of the people who presumably have less knowledge about what is happening than human rights organisations and the UN and less knowledge on the law who feel so confident in their view that they will speak out against it. Will the fact that you didn't just remain silent but that you denied it was happening play on your mind and would you happily tell your children(if you have any) when they ask about the Gazan genocide that actually Mum didn't believe it was happening?

Obviously this is theoretical, maybe the ICJ won't decide it is genocide but have you thought about how you will feel if they do? Or do you think maybe you still won't believe it? You don't have to answer if you don't like but I would be interested if you or anyone else have thought about this?

One side (Hamas) started it; the other side (Israel) responded. Hamas knew that their behaviour would provoke a war. It was designed to do that. They wanted to derail peace initiatives in the Middle East. I think Hamas is happy to have a war and a lot of bloodshed, and that they are happy to hide behind children, and they are happy for the children to be killed as the children then become innocent martyrs for their cause. And the world can blame Israel. I think it is a massive set up.

if Hamas is losing, they could surrender? And stop playing games hiding behind civilians? And send back the hostages, alive if possible? And stop playing games saying that they agree to made up terms of ceasefire?

Only Hamas can do this.

I very much doubt any child who survives Gaza will have anything approximating a "carefree childhood".

Israel is killing, maiming and traumatising an entire generation of children. Not because they have to. Because they are choosing to.

It is very different, for one thing it has been going on for 75 years!

One people is being sytematically bombed and starved, and moved on and on, and now being told to leave the one area they were told to move to be safe. And some calling for them to leave their country altogether and leave it to the war mongers. What else can it be called but genocide.

I am not Palestinian, I am not Muslim- I am just a human being, with eyes, ears, a sould and a heart.

As has been explained many times, the stated Israeli government position has been that the return of hostages would not result in the Israeli military stopping their assaults and airstrikes. They want "total victory". There are two routes to an end to hostilities - one is a negotiated ceasefire, the other is when there's nobody left to kill.

it can be called war, obviously

Where do you get your critical thinking skills? The kindergarten school of conflict because honestly your analysis makes it sound like a schoolyard fight.

I do not feel bad at all, for stating what appears to be the truth

I was asking if you think you will feel bad if the ICJ declare it genocide. To most people that will mean that it is the truth, it was in fact genocide. Like I said you don't need to answer if you don't want to.

Don't you feel guilty for supporting rapists and murderers, who deliberately started a war and then hid behind babies? Who recklessly endangered all those little children for their ends?

I would if I had been doing that.

Don't you feel guilty for supporting rapists and murderers, who deliberately started a war and then hid behind babies? Who recklessly endangered all those little children for their ends?
Who is supporting this????

won't you feel really guilty for being duped by Hamas and co?
Who here is being duped by Hamas?

Hamas set up such a big threat to the Israeli state that it had little choice but to give a substantial and warlike response. Hamas was deliberately provocative there.

Israel is surrounded by arab states and if they don't defend themselves over a matter like this, their state is in danger of very existing. That is why their allies are conflicted. No one wants a war (except perhaps Hamas and Hamas' allies for their own ends) but Israel had to take action.

And I think if Israel does disintegrate as a state there will be a very significant problem indeed for those Jewish people and world peace as a whole, thinking back to WWII and its disasters.

insulting me doesn't help your argument along much

Saying that you care about the innocent children caught up in this (read: made homeless, orphaned, maimed, blown to pieces) sounds disingenuous when you can't bring yourself to criticise those who are actually killing them, or even acknowledge that they are the ones doing the killing.

Hamas thinks it is winning the social media war. I think all those students in tents are being duped by Hamas, poor kids.

@Gunnersforthecup if this is all Hamas fault can you explain to me why is Israel behaving the way it’s behaving in the West Bank? More deaths than ever before 7-10. They’ve been killing and arresting many people since 7-10. Many of these killings can be classified as crimes.

hamas didn’t start this on 7-10. This was happening from long before. And it’s yet happening in whole Palestine

A manner like this includes choosing to commit multiple violations of international law, to the extent that there are investigations into charges of war crimes and genocide. No country should have the right to do that.

There were alternative options which could have been used, which arguably could have been more effective in achieving aims of saving hostages and dismantling a terrorist organisation. But this was what has been chosen by a far-right government with stated aims of killing Palestinians of all ages, expanding illegal settlements and preventing the existence of a Palestinian state in any form.

You're insulting all our intelligence with your analysis