To think that the blame lies with Hamas and Israel deserves our support

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Of course, the deaths of the aid workers recently is a terrible tragedy and it is entirely right that Israel is investigating why it happened and holding members of the IDF responsible.

However, the criticism of Israel seems to miss a fundamentally important point which is that Israel is engaged in military operations in Gaza for one reason only: the barbaric terrorist attacks that were committed by Hamas on 7 October and their continued imprisonment of Israel citizens as hostages.

Of course, the deaths of the aid workers is a tragedy. Every civilian death that occurs in a war is a tragedy. But the reality is that that is what happens in a war, and Hamas is responsible for the fact that there is a war.

The war can be ended, and billions of dollars of aid can be released into Gaza, very simply. Hamas simply needs to lay down its arms and release the Israeli citizens that it has taken hostage and continues to keep imprisoned.

Unless and until Hamas do that, the state of Israel deserves our continuing support in its battle against a brutal terrorist organisation that has kidnapped the innocent civilians of a democratic state.

This is something that has been spoken about since 7/10. Whether Netanyahu dropped the ball and ignored intelligence or whether that intelligence existed at all.

Either way there are records going back decades of him speaking of his desire to eradicate Palestine/Palestinians. If not by design it was certainly opportunistic fortune for him, particularly as his embezzlement of Israel’s funds is under question.

@Annettekurtin

*Those figures are made up by Hamas. of course children have died but sadly Children die in every war. That doesn’t mean there are massacres and there are no evidence of any massacres of children by the IDF.

it’s sad that you’ve lost your way so much.*

You sound slightly unhinged. Sorry. It isn’t possible to have a reasonable political debate with someone who just cannot be objective. There are massacres occurring in Palestine, and this includes the massacre of children. It’s shocking that you can’t admit that as I think deep down, you know the reality.

Where? Quote me.

No one believes what happen on Oct 7th was justified. But you have to understand that this happen because what has gone on between these two countries led to this attack.

Equally this not a war Palestine are not killing innocent people just because they are there.

IDF and Israeli government are committing war crimes. They are trying to stave out the population. You don't bomb and kill 10,000's of people, you can't force millions of people into less then a third of their country and to claim you are wiping out Hamas when actually you have killed less then 50 Hamas people.

And equally you have to take into account again what the IDF and the Israeli government are doing in the Occupied West Bank. The killing again of innocent children and women.

@Annettekurtin
I'm Irish, it's not offensive to me.
I don't support Hamas,what happened in October was horrific, what's happened since has been genocide! The civilians of Palestine have no where to go, no way of escape! Israel are starving civilians and creating a famine !
But then again didn't the UK starve Ireland with a famine too?
History judged the UK for that (despite how much the UK education system try to whitewash it all) and history will judge us all for allowing this all to happen.

no amount of "they made me do it" excuses anything

The war did not start on Oct 7!! Another thing that colonial Britain managed to leave in a state of disrepair. Pakistan/ India in 1947 partition and then Palestine and the creation on Israel in 1948. Both costs countless lives. Over time Israel has slowly taken more and more the Palestinian land and the world has watched as Britain had washed its hands of the problems it created in the first place!

Well offensive things happen/are said because of war.

War is awful. No one is saying otherwise. But sometimes necessary especially against a terrorist state that has viciously attacked your country.

Over 90% of casualties are civilians. With one of the world’s best militaries. I’m going to say that again - over 90% of casualties are civilians with one of the world’s best militaries.

You know the above statistic is true for all wars/conflicts right? At least according to thr UN security Council anyway.

Indeed but are no less silly or offensive because of that.

What this poster means is that when the IDF kidnap, torture & rape - it’s justified because you know “war”.

Yes. I can’t be bothered to engage with an extremist who denies horrors have happened in Palestine. Esp as we know how she would react if the same disbelief was expressed against Oct 7th (disclaimer: I believe the atrocious Oct 7th massacre and rapes took place).

Except that there is, the ICJ have confirmed that they believe there is likely genocide happening. They can't say it did happen yet because it has to go through court etc but they have been as clear as they can be at this stage to confirm they believe it's genocide. The evidence also lies in the piles of recordings, videos and written documents confirming information stated by Israeli officials and their intent with the acts of violence.

There is not a war, there is a systematic murder of innocent people, majority are children - little babies and toddlers being murdered because of their nationality. Not only is it genocide but there are multiple war crimes, targeting hospitals and safe zones, actively preventing aid and starving people.

Israel doesn't care about holocaust survivors - there are tens of thousands of holocaust survivors who are homeless and in poverty, left to die by a Zionist state. This is not about giving Jewish people a safe place to live. It's about taking over an area , to continue to be a control over the middle east. That's what it always has been.

No war? Then there must have been a shit load of special military operations over the last 75+ years.

The casualties in Gaza are nothing like 90% civilians. That’s utter nonsense. At least 14,000 Hamas militants have been killed. Every death is a tragedy but sadly those are extremely violent people who had to be eliminated.

Because we can't eradicate war is exactly why we have rules of war and international law. Rules and laws that Israel have been breaking for decades and yet you don't see the logic of your own argument that could apply to the Israeli government.

Your last sentence seems very disingenuous considering the rest of your post.

There was a ceasefire on both sides and Hamas broke that, for there to have been a ceasefire there had to have been conflict. Your post makes it seem like this was a surprise and noone knew this would probably happen? When there is a suppressor in a situation there will always be a fight bubbling

You are an extremist and massacre-denier. You are too far gone I see.

Israel had no presence in Gaza prior to 7 October and hadn’t for many years. There was not war, however much you want to justify terrorism

Comedycook genuinely don't know what you mean