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Conflict in the Middle East

Why do people think anti-isreal is the same as anti-semetic?

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enenenya · 31/03/2024 23:20

Just that. If I was anti-Iran, it is never called anti-Islamic.

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mids2019 · 01/04/2024 09:12

The patriarch Jacob was given the name in Genesis and is an important character in Islam. If a kilometre to write anti Israel they would from a literal theological perspective be against one of the leading figures of Islamic theology. I think therefore this is the reason some mis spell Israel if they are previously religiously observant

enenenya · 01/04/2024 09:12

mids2019 · 01/04/2024 07:19

This gets tiring......

Israel is a country founded in 1948 and it's neighbours want it wiped off the map. Anti Israel is not a criticism of government but a statement that you wish the Jewsih state to be released because you didn't feel it should have been constituted in the first place.

Please feel free to use anti Israeli cabinet if you wish to criticise the government. I read about Israeli protesters in Jerusalem who were criticising their government (get guys it's a dwmocracy) and they certainly weren't anti Israel.

There are many in this country who criticise our governments policies but we're not 'anti British'. Anti Israel is antisemitism hiding in plain site; please feel free to disguise you condemnation of Jews by use of this term 🙄

Its so sad you think this way. How can Palestinian people protest Isreal then?

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enenenya · 01/04/2024 09:14

pleasenosey · 01/04/2024 08:42

'?'

I just find it strange when some people have deeply held opinions about a place but they can't even correctly spell the name of the place. I see this particular misspelling on MN a lot.

I have dyslexia and I've learned not to be hard on myself about my spelling after years of being made to feel stupid by society and the school system. I really do wonder if you're this nasty in real life...

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mitogoshi · 01/04/2024 09:14

I have no issues with Judaism, I believe Israel should exist, but I do have issues with the way Israel is run and the occupation of the West Bank before even getting into the complexities of Gaza! My good Israeli friends cannot stand their government either.

mids2019 · 01/04/2024 09:15

@enenenya

by criticising the Israeli government.

can I clear this up that as Israel refers to an important figure in Islam (Jacob) and has the literal meaning of God or Allah rules of would be difficult to a Palestinian (a devout one) to object or criticise this name?

Xsnsnshsjs · 01/04/2024 09:15

HairLikeAnEasterEgg · 01/04/2024 09:07

Oh gosh and I missed this bit:

admittedly one few seem to want) would be a single country with equal rights for all, whether of jewish, arabic, or any other descent.

That is totally unworkable and I'm afraid does suggest a significant lack of knowledge about the current situation in the ME. It would almost certainly lead to to murder and displacement of Israeli Jews.

As I say I know it’s unworkable (for now). But it’s not anti semitic to think of this as an ideal solution and one that could be worked towards as an ideal end state. It’s possible to want people to live side by side in peace without having countries reserved for certain groups. So yes, ideally, i would want for Israel to not exist in its current format. That does not mean I want for jewish or israeli people to be harmed. And it’s unfair to conflate the two - by pointing the finger at those who would aspire for a peaceful solution and twisting it into suggesting that’s advocating for the harm of jewish people, when it’s not.

1dayatatime · 01/04/2024 09:15

@enenenya

"What are you saying? I asked a question and got bigoted answers back, so I obviously didn't like them"

You have an established and entrenched opinion before starting this post.

You don't want to see any alternative opinions or explanations only those that align with your own. Those that do not align with your own you dismiss as bigoted answers.

This makes your entire post pointless.

sandandsand · 01/04/2024 09:18

enenenya · 01/04/2024 09:14

I have dyslexia and I've learned not to be hard on myself about my spelling after years of being made to feel stupid by society and the school system. I really do wonder if you're this nasty in real life...

Well it's odd how you've managed to spell everything else correctly bar the actual topic of your post.

MissyB1 · 01/04/2024 09:19

Kindatired · 31/03/2024 23:47

Apar from 7/10 ,the actual number of Israeli casualties is relatively low since 2008. The number of terrorist related deaths is a fraction of the number of road deaths on an annual basis.
I think that the majority of these Israeli casualties have been on the Palestinian side of the green line. By this I mean that a lot of Israelis have not been killed inside the 1948 border of their own country but in the Occupied Palestinian Territories when they were there for whatever reason.
So I think that the narrative has been spun that those who oppose the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian Territories are antisemitic. This suits Israeli propaganda machine better than the alternative narrative that Israel has opted to effectively annexe Palestine gradually, resulting in unending security problems for both.

Yes this 👆

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 01/04/2024 09:19

Maybe the misspelling was just a typo? I know on the app on my phone I cant edit so its easily done? Confused

mids2019 · 01/04/2024 09:21

@enenenya

the Palestinians have a problem with the Israeli cabinet and it's military decision making and not against the Israeli people so why not just say that. Saying Anti Israel suggests you are against the people of the existence of the state. Surely use of he is term will only make Jews defensive and exacerbate the problem?

enenenya · 01/04/2024 09:21

1dayatatime · 01/04/2024 09:15

@enenenya

"What are you saying? I asked a question and got bigoted answers back, so I obviously didn't like them"

You have an established and entrenched opinion before starting this post.

You don't want to see any alternative opinions or explanations only those that align with your own. Those that do not align with your own you dismiss as bigoted answers.

This makes your entire post pointless.

Why do you have to be so rude? What makes you right? I'm saying the same about the bigoted people with entrenched opinions!

A matter of fact is that I am anti-Isreali but not anti-Semitic. I am not religious at all, and religion plays no role in my opinion. I couldn't care less about what God a person prays towards. Everyone has a right to practice or not practice their religion in the way they choose. That is a fundamental human right. There is no way I would ever choose to be anti Jewish, or wish Jewish people harm.

I am saying that these two things are different and I'm confused by people who believe they can't be.

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enenenya · 01/04/2024 09:22

mids2019 · 01/04/2024 09:21

@enenenya

the Palestinians have a problem with the Israeli cabinet and it's military decision making and not against the Israeli people so why not just say that. Saying Anti Israel suggests you are against the people of the existence of the state. Surely use of he is term will only make Jews defensive and exacerbate the problem?

Can't you be against the existence of an occupying power? What has religion got to do with it?

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enenenya · 01/04/2024 09:22

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 01/04/2024 09:19

Maybe the misspelling was just a typo? I know on the app on my phone I cant edit so its easily done? Confused

Dyslexia and I couldn't care less about any typos HTH

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enenenya · 01/04/2024 09:23

sandandsand · 01/04/2024 09:18

Well it's odd how you've managed to spell everything else correctly bar the actual topic of your post.

You think i did it to make a point?

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mids2019 · 01/04/2024 09:24

@tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz

Very possibly but I do know Muslims that do not like the name of God or an old testament patriarch embedded in the word Israel even though the language is different. Islam, Christinaity and Judaism have the same roots so to a lot of the Muslim world the use of such a highly religious name when Israel was founded would have been met with anger.

enenenya · 01/04/2024 09:24

mids2019 · 01/04/2024 09:12

The patriarch Jacob was given the name in Genesis and is an important character in Islam. If a kilometre to write anti Israel they would from a literal theological perspective be against one of the leading figures of Islamic theology. I think therefore this is the reason some mis spell Israel if they are previously religiously observant

Its literally just bad spelling

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Anuggetofpurestgreen · 01/04/2024 09:25

mids2019 · 01/04/2024 08:57

Maybe I am reading to much into this but Israel obviously is a biblical name and one interpretation of the word is 'God rules'. Possibly if you do not support the existence of Israel you would be angered by use of such a religiously evocative word which suggests the state of Israel is God ordained especially if you are religious your self and therefore don't want to infer Israel with religous/theological legitmacy?

From the level of thought going into the OP's posts I suspect it's just a typo...

midgetastic · 01/04/2024 09:26

Mimrr · 31/03/2024 23:23

Israel is the only country for Jewish people though.

But not all Jewish people live in Israel and not all people living in Israel are Jewish

enenenya · 01/04/2024 09:27

ssd · 01/04/2024 08:00

Because it deflects from the 32,000 people murdered in Gaza.

No one has a valid excuse for such a barbaric response to the October attack, so rather than trying to find one, they use "antisemitic" to close down any uncomfortable discussions.

Yup!!

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HairLikeAnEasterEgg · 01/04/2024 09:27

Xsnsnshsjs · 01/04/2024 09:15

As I say I know it’s unworkable (for now). But it’s not anti semitic to think of this as an ideal solution and one that could be worked towards as an ideal end state. It’s possible to want people to live side by side in peace without having countries reserved for certain groups. So yes, ideally, i would want for Israel to not exist in its current format. That does not mean I want for jewish or israeli people to be harmed. And it’s unfair to conflate the two - by pointing the finger at those who would aspire for a peaceful solution and twisting it into suggesting that’s advocating for the harm of jewish people, when it’s not.

I'm sorry but it is literally advocating for a solution that would harm Jewish people. It is antisemitic, no matter how politely you phrase it. A one-state solution is cloud cuckoo land. A two-state solution is and has long been the moderate, sensible aim (although I concede that right now it is a long way off).

enenenya · 01/04/2024 09:28

mids2019 · 01/04/2024 09:24

@tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz

Very possibly but I do know Muslims that do not like the name of God or an old testament patriarch embedded in the word Israel even though the language is different. Islam, Christinaity and Judaism have the same roots so to a lot of the Muslim world the use of such a highly religious name when Israel was founded would have been met with anger.

I am muslim and I have no idea what you are talking about. Get off wikipedia

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Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/04/2024 09:28

Being 'anti-Israel' makes as much sense as being anti-South Sudan or anti-Palau. Complaining about current Israeli borders is equally ridiculous because they'd still be the same as in 1948 if Jordan and other countries hadn't invaded with the intention to destroy Israel and lost their own land instead. Either way, the land still wouldn't be Palestine. And yes, very odd misspelling. I've only ever seen it written like that by antisemites.

mids2019 · 01/04/2024 09:29

@enenenya

insist know if you're Muslim or not but I do apologise if you're not but Israel as a name has a great deal of significance with on Islam (as well as Judaism and Christianity)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_in_Islam

Do you not like writing anti Israel in a way that might be deemed offensive to Muslims? I am genuinely curious because I have seen this misspelling a number of times.

Jacob in Islam - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_in_Islam

enenenya · 01/04/2024 09:29

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/04/2024 09:28

Being 'anti-Israel' makes as much sense as being anti-South Sudan or anti-Palau. Complaining about current Israeli borders is equally ridiculous because they'd still be the same as in 1948 if Jordan and other countries hadn't invaded with the intention to destroy Israel and lost their own land instead. Either way, the land still wouldn't be Palestine. And yes, very odd misspelling. I've only ever seen it written like that by antisemites.

So what about the people of Palestine? Should they accept their open-air prisons and die off?

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