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Conflict in the Middle East

IDF statement on Aid Convoy Stampede

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Yellowducksandrakes · 01/03/2024 16:17

What’s happened: Following the death of dozens of Palestinians after a stampede broke out around an aid convoy west of Gaza City, the US has blocked an Algerian-sponsored statement at the United Nations Security Council which sought to blame Israel.

  • While reports conflict, it appears that:
  • Before dawn yesterday morning, approximately 30 trucks containing aid entered the Gaza Strip to deliver food to the Rimal neighbourhood of Gaza City.
  • At approximately 4.40 AM, thousands of Gazans swarmed the trucks. Drone footage of the event shows some of the trucks attempting to drive through the crowds, presumably in an effort to extract themselves and deliver the aid they were carrying.
  • After a number of trucks were able to continue north, armed men opened fire on what remained of the convoy.
  • While the IDF has admitted that its troops did open fire, it says that this was only “when they encountered danger, when the mob moved toward it in a manner that endangered the force”.
  • The IDF also says that it “did not fire toward individuals seeking aid and we did not fire toward the humanitarian convoy from the ground nor from the air.”
  • It is being reported that at least 112 Gazans were killed in this incident, with approximately 760 being injured. However, as these figures originate from within the Hamas-run Palestinian Ministry of Health, their veracity is questionable.
  • The IDF’s initial inquiry into the incident has concluded its troops’ fire killed only 7 or 8 people and that the majority were killed in the chaos, not by shooting.
  • “The tanks were there to provide security for the trucks. Our aircraft gave the troops on the ground a full picture from above,” the IDF said.
  • “When the hundreds turned into thousands, the IDF complied with international law… Israel did not limit the quantity of humanitarian aid entering Gaza. We recognize the suffering of the Gaza residents.”
  • In the aftermath of this event, much of the international community has reiterated calls for an immediate ceasefire and increased aid being allowed into the Gaza Strip.
  • At the United Nations Security Council, Algeria sought to issue a statement which explicitly blamed Israel for this deadly incident. While supported by 14 out of 15 council members, it was blocked by the US.
  • When asked why the US had not supported this statement, Deputy Ambassador to the United Nations Robert Wood said: “We don’t have all the facts on the ground – that’s the problem.”
  • He also said that in the face of contradictory reports, the US was trying to establish facts, including regarding the “circumstances around how people died”.
  • President Biden has also discussed this incident with Qatari Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al-Thani and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi. According to a White House statement, they agreed that it “underscored the urgency of bringing negotiations to a close as soon as possible”.
  • The White House has also called for this event to be “thoroughly investigated”.
Context: Israel will conduct a thorough investigation into an incident which further highlights the complexity of distributing aid to the Gazan people and the urgent necessity of forming a civilian infrastructure to prevent further incidents of this kind.
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SomeCatFromJapan · 04/03/2024 17:22

Thought the Hamas leaders were in Qatar

The senior leaders are predominantly in Qatar, the fighters are in Gaza.

NecessaryNC24 · 04/03/2024 17:24

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stomachamelon · 04/03/2024 18:17

I take it they mean Sinwar.

EasterIssland · 04/03/2024 18:24

SomeCatFromJapan · 04/03/2024 17:22

Thought the Hamas leaders were in Qatar

The senior leaders are predominantly in Qatar, the fighters are in Gaza.

The comment I was responding to said “Hamas leaders are in Gaza”

NecessaryNC24 · 05/03/2024 16:37

stomachamelon · 04/03/2024 18:17

I take it they mean Sinwar.

The middle guy does have a striking resemblance...

AhaHa · 06/03/2024 22:03

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SomeCatFromJapan · 06/03/2024 22:23

I've now been called a genocide supporter so much that it's become meaningless, like "selfish" during covid.

Limesodaagain · 06/03/2024 23:49

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Of course I agree the bombing of Gaza should stop. It’s horrendous . But you’ve missed out the point that Hamas are still holding Israeli hostages and have also shown no more mercy to the Gazan people than the IDF since they could have brought an end to this if they’d released the hostages.

qunari · 07/03/2024 00:08

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Limesodaagain · 06/03/2024 23:49

Of course I agree the bombing of Gaza should stop. It’s horrendous . But you’ve missed out the point that Hamas are still holding Israeli hostages and have also shown no more mercy to the Gazan people than the IDF since they could have brought an end to this if they’d released the hostages.

Israel is saying it will eradicate Hamas ie kill them all, so why would they give up the hostages?

It would not end if Hamas gave up the hostages, the IDF would carry on bombing etc, thats their stated aim - the destruction of Hamas and that means no prisoners.

Scirocco · 07/03/2024 07:45

Limesodaagain · 06/03/2024 23:49

Of course I agree the bombing of Gaza should stop. It’s horrendous . But you’ve missed out the point that Hamas are still holding Israeli hostages and have also shown no more mercy to the Gazan people than the IDF since they could have brought an end to this if they’d released the hostages.

Unfortunately the stated Israeli government position is that the release of the hostages would not result in an end to the destruction of Gaza, as the IDF would continue their operations. That means there's little incentive for Hamas to do so. They absolutely should release the hostages - there should never have been hostages in the first place! - but they aren't exactly going to rush to do so when that would remove one of the only pieces of leverage they can bring to a negotiating table, in exchange for nothing from their perspective.

EllaDisenchanted · 07/03/2024 07:53

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qunari · 07/03/2024 13:08

I'm not sure why my post was deleted. Is it against the rules to call a racist post racist now?

EllaDisenchanted · 07/03/2024 13:26

qunari · 07/03/2024 13:08

I'm not sure why my post was deleted. Is it against the rules to call a racist post racist now?

It directly quoted part of the deleted post.

EasterIssland · 07/03/2024 20:57

Kay Burley: Is Israel doing a good enough job getting aid into Gaza?

Israeli PM spokesperson: "Is the benchmark perfection?"

Kay Burley: "No, its kids not starving to death"

https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1765678390651015247

Yellowducksandrakes · 07/03/2024 21:06

From AJC -

"On October 18, Israel agreed to allow humanitarian aid to enter Gaza from Egypt, to mitigate a major humanitarian crisis in Gaza and save innocent Palestinian lives.

Since October 21, Israel has facilitated the entry of humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip through the Rafah crossing between Egypt and the Gaza Strip. In mid-December, Israel reopened the Kerem Shalom crossing between Israel and the southern Gaza Strip to allow more aid into the territory.

To help alleviate the humanitarian situation in northern Gaza, Israel, for the first time, opened the Karni crossing to facilitate more aid delivery into Gaza.

These aid convoys began delivery in northern Gaza recently for the first time since the war began. A convoy of 30 trucks carrying food made its way to the northern Gaza Strip on February 28. Close to 90 trucks were transferred to the northern Gaza Strip since the beginning of the week. "

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SpryAmberSeal · 07/03/2024 21:29

Yellowducksandrakes · 07/03/2024 21:06

From AJC -

"On October 18, Israel agreed to allow humanitarian aid to enter Gaza from Egypt, to mitigate a major humanitarian crisis in Gaza and save innocent Palestinian lives.

Since October 21, Israel has facilitated the entry of humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip through the Rafah crossing between Egypt and the Gaza Strip. In mid-December, Israel reopened the Kerem Shalom crossing between Israel and the southern Gaza Strip to allow more aid into the territory.

To help alleviate the humanitarian situation in northern Gaza, Israel, for the first time, opened the Karni crossing to facilitate more aid delivery into Gaza.

These aid convoys began delivery in northern Gaza recently for the first time since the war began. A convoy of 30 trucks carrying food made its way to the northern Gaza Strip on February 28. Close to 90 trucks were transferred to the northern Gaza Strip since the beginning of the week. "

Why do you think children are starving to death then? Why do you think pregnant women are routinely having c sections without any anaesthesia? Why do you think these same pregnant women are giving birth to low birth weight babies who they are then unable to breastfeed because they are suffering from malnutrition?

If Israel is facilitating aid being delivered in the numbers that need to be delivered in to sustain a population of 2million why are people starving and suffering from malnutrition? Bearing in mind that under International humanitarian law it is Israels responsibility as an occupier to ensure the safety of civilians and their right to basic services. Do you think Israel is staying within International humanitarian law?

Also do you think it is a coincidence that the Israeli minister for defence said in October I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. And now people are starving to death and health services are all but closed?

EasterIssland · 07/03/2024 21:33

The army has blocked us on the way to Gaza with an aid convoy. There is no justification for collective punishment and mass starvation. Ever.
Video by Movement for Peace, Equality & Social Justice in Israel

https://twitter.com/omdimbeyachad/status/1765690147457384794

stomachamelon · 07/03/2024 21:53

@EasterIssland that is a charity called standing together. They knew they would be stopped as it's a military zone (to stop others blocking aid) and it was symbolic.

You can follow it on Instagram.

SomeCatFromJapan · 07/03/2024 21:55

Were they trying to actually enter Gaza?

EasterIssland · 07/03/2024 21:56

stomachamelon · 07/03/2024 21:53

@EasterIssland that is a charity called standing together. They knew they would be stopped as it's a military zone (to stop others blocking aid) and it was symbolic.

You can follow it on Instagram.

True I didn’t see their name on the Twitter comment and copied the wrong bit , apologies for mixing that

seen this in their ig feed

IDF statement on Aid Convoy Stampede
IDF statement on Aid Convoy Stampede
Parkingt111 · 07/03/2024 21:59

I saw it on their Instagram page (standing together) I was thinking the same thing if they were trying to get into Gaza and if they would be allowed to do so

Parkingt111 · 07/03/2024 22:02

SomeCatFromJapan · 07/03/2024 21:55

Were they trying to actually enter Gaza?

It does seem like it although pointed out that I can't see how that would be allowed.
The convoy was blocked before it reached the crossing and I saw an update on their page that they have distributed the aid to the needy.

EasterIssland · 07/03/2024 22:11

According to this tweet IDF throws pamphlets on Northern Gaza urging the very population Israel pushed into a famine to "stop looting & stealing"
https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1765765723639382460

is that what thd pamphlet says ?

https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1765765723639382460

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