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Conflict in the Middle East

IDF statement on Aid Convoy Stampede

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Yellowducksandrakes · 01/03/2024 16:17

What’s happened: Following the death of dozens of Palestinians after a stampede broke out around an aid convoy west of Gaza City, the US has blocked an Algerian-sponsored statement at the United Nations Security Council which sought to blame Israel.

  • While reports conflict, it appears that:
  • Before dawn yesterday morning, approximately 30 trucks containing aid entered the Gaza Strip to deliver food to the Rimal neighbourhood of Gaza City.
  • At approximately 4.40 AM, thousands of Gazans swarmed the trucks. Drone footage of the event shows some of the trucks attempting to drive through the crowds, presumably in an effort to extract themselves and deliver the aid they were carrying.
  • After a number of trucks were able to continue north, armed men opened fire on what remained of the convoy.
  • While the IDF has admitted that its troops did open fire, it says that this was only “when they encountered danger, when the mob moved toward it in a manner that endangered the force”.
  • The IDF also says that it “did not fire toward individuals seeking aid and we did not fire toward the humanitarian convoy from the ground nor from the air.”
  • It is being reported that at least 112 Gazans were killed in this incident, with approximately 760 being injured. However, as these figures originate from within the Hamas-run Palestinian Ministry of Health, their veracity is questionable.
  • The IDF’s initial inquiry into the incident has concluded its troops’ fire killed only 7 or 8 people and that the majority were killed in the chaos, not by shooting.
  • “The tanks were there to provide security for the trucks. Our aircraft gave the troops on the ground a full picture from above,” the IDF said.
  • “When the hundreds turned into thousands, the IDF complied with international law… Israel did not limit the quantity of humanitarian aid entering Gaza. We recognize the suffering of the Gaza residents.”
  • In the aftermath of this event, much of the international community has reiterated calls for an immediate ceasefire and increased aid being allowed into the Gaza Strip.
  • At the United Nations Security Council, Algeria sought to issue a statement which explicitly blamed Israel for this deadly incident. While supported by 14 out of 15 council members, it was blocked by the US.
  • When asked why the US had not supported this statement, Deputy Ambassador to the United Nations Robert Wood said: “We don’t have all the facts on the ground – that’s the problem.”
  • He also said that in the face of contradictory reports, the US was trying to establish facts, including regarding the “circumstances around how people died”.
  • President Biden has also discussed this incident with Qatari Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al-Thani and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi. According to a White House statement, they agreed that it “underscored the urgency of bringing negotiations to a close as soon as possible”.
  • The White House has also called for this event to be “thoroughly investigated”.
Context: Israel will conduct a thorough investigation into an incident which further highlights the complexity of distributing aid to the Gazan people and the urgent necessity of forming a civilian infrastructure to prevent further incidents of this kind.
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ConnieCounter · 01/03/2024 17:07

Thanks for those Israeli lies. Super helpful.

EasterIssland · 01/03/2024 17:21

ConnieCounter · 01/03/2024 17:07

Thanks for those Israeli lies. Super helpful.

Starve the population and when they’re desperate for food then kill them because they’re a risk to your own life. Maybe they should allow more aid coming in and allow another organisation providing the food.

SomeCatFromJapan · 01/03/2024 17:25

This is probably about the most balanced take I've found:
https://twitter.com/academic_la/status/1763259612181270895

"This aerial footage shows you the mess that led up to it. The IDF claims that most of the people were killed in a stampede for aid. However, the IDF have admitted that soldiers felt a threat to their lives in the melee and opened fire in self-defense. The army estimates that 10 of the dead may have been killed by its fire. Despite Hamas's claims to the contrary, there was no massacre here. Just a tragedy."

The author is pro-Israel but not uncritically so, and is no fan of the hardline right-wingers in government.

https://twitter.com/academic_la/status/1763259612181270895

Molymoly · 01/03/2024 17:42
  • While the IDF has admitted that its troops did open fire, it says that this was only “when they encountered danger, when the mob moved toward it in a manner that endangered the force”.

But they only killed 7 or 8 with the weapons they use?

NecessaryNC24 · 01/03/2024 17:59

Thank you for this factual update.

Unfortunately there's a brainwashed section that cannot process it.

Tripper79 · 01/03/2024 18:18

France has called for an independent inquiry into this; I think it is needed to try and get to the truth of what happened. The IDF statement differs from witness accounts so it shouldn’t just be taken as gospel. The head of the hospital that the injured were taken to has said that of the 176 wounded, 142 had gunshot wounds and the other 34 showed injuries from a stampede so a lot of rounds must have been fired to wound that many people.

This was one witness statement (from the guardian):

“One injured survivor, Kamel Abu Nahel, said he went to the aid distribution point in the middle of the night because he hoped for food supplies, after two months of eating animal feed.

After trucks arrived and a crowd gathered, Israeli soldiers opened fire, so people scattered to seek shelter but returned once the gunfire stopped, he told the AP news agency. However the troops opened fire again, and Abu Nahel was shot in the leg then run over by a truck that was speeding away.”

Whatever the truth of what happened, it’s an appalling and horrific tragedy to happen to already starving people.

Dulra · 01/03/2024 18:23

Not sure why anyone would expect us to believe the IDF account of events they've been proven time and time again to be untrustworthy and selective with the truth. The fact remains the situation was chaotic because people are starving and desperate. Shots were fired which is going to contribute to the panic and over 100 people lost their lives and over 700 injured. Whether that was through gun shots or stampede is irrelevant in my opinion, their deaths lie solely at the IDF door they created the situation that led to these events.

inkworks273 · 01/03/2024 18:35

www.wftv.com/news/world/gaza-doctor-says/HSMLJTN6SW65CVP6VZD5U6QBWM/

"Gaza doctor says gunfire accounted for 80% of the wounds at his hospital from aid convoy bloodshed"

ConnieCounter · 01/03/2024 19:34

NecessaryNC24 · 01/03/2024 17:59

Thank you for this factual update.

Unfortunately there's a brainwashed section that cannot process it.

Do you believe everything the IDF says?

stomachamelon · 01/03/2024 21:04

@ConnieCounter your hardly the unbiased voice of reason?
Much like random hospital bombings everything is not always as it's portrayed.

NotTerfNorCis · 01/03/2024 21:10

"Al-Awda hospital received around 176 injured people...142 of these cases are bullet injuries and the rest are from the stampede and broken limbs in the upper and lower body parts."

  • BBC
ConnieCounter · 01/03/2024 21:23

stomachamelon · 01/03/2024 21:04

@ConnieCounter your hardly the unbiased voice of reason?
Much like random hospital bombings everything is not always as it's portrayed.

I wouldn't be on my high horse about attacking hospitals if I were you.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 01/03/2024 21:28

What video and eyewitness accounts tell us about Gazans killed at aid drop www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68445973

inkworks273 · 01/03/2024 21:44

Yes, remember that one time Israel possibly didn't attack a hospital? Never mind about the 30 times the absolutely did.

mollyfolk · 01/03/2024 22:13

Even Germany are calling for an independent investigation. The Israeli authorities are really losing the questioning support.

mollyfolk · 01/03/2024 22:18

stomachamelon · 01/03/2024 21:04

@ConnieCounter your hardly the unbiased voice of reason?
Much like random hospital bombings everything is not always as it's portrayed.

Oh yes thanks for the reminder about that one time that Israel didn’t attack a hospital. Now “Only” 123 healthcare faculties attacked. And “only” 160 healthcare workers killed. It’s like they are the most moral army in the world. Nothing to see here - no need for an independent investigation at all.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 01/03/2024 22:39

What actually happened was: notorious terrorists Monday, Friday, and Saturday - together with that poor Arabic speaking nurse from Shifa hospital who has since gone rogue - emerged from the underground command centre and killed everyone in revenge for the 40 beheaded babies.

Blatant sarcasm aside, the reason people don't believe anything the I"D"F or its soldiers say is because they keep on being caught demonstrably lying - and not even making an effort to be even remotely convincing about it.

Tel12 · 01/03/2024 22:42

Two doctors have confirmed that most of the injuries they treated were from bullet wounds.

Nads0622 · 02/03/2024 08:01

More gaslighting from Israel !!!

Dulra · 02/03/2024 08:17

RTE news : UN: 'Number of gunshot wounds' among victims of aid rush

www.rte.ie/news/2024/0302/1435523-gaza-israel/

Dulra · 02/03/2024 08:18

Nads0622 · 02/03/2024 08:01

More gaslighting from Israel !!!

Yes. Shame the UK and US still don't see that

TakeMe2Insanity · 02/03/2024 08:20

Well done to creative writing unit at the IDF, great fiction.

inkworks273 · 02/03/2024 08:50

TakeMe2Insanity · 02/03/2024 08:20

Well done to creative writing unit at the IDF, great fiction.

No one believes them anymore except for the people who want to believe them.

Efacsen · 02/03/2024 09:01

@Yellowducksandrakes
@stomachamelon
@NecessaryNC24

Several countries are saying that this tragic incident needs to be independently investigated

Given that Israel has concerns about the usual bodies who would undertake this sort of thing are biased/anti Israel/anti-semitic

Who do you think should investigate who would be acceptable to Israel?

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