This picture of Israeli soldiers smiling for a selfie in front of a destroyed Gaza...

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I know there are lots of pictures. I try to avoid looking as its just so awful but this one couldn't be avoided.

How sickening that the soldiers can smile and act so happy in front of all that destruction.

This is just another picture, from the thousands, that shows how the Palestinians and their lives and homes are seen as worthless.

Interestingly I watched a panorama interviewer on the phone to a hamas official who was overtly denying their actions on 7/10... Still I suppose the BBC could have faked it....

Nice deflection @quantumbutterfly

I suggest we stick to discussing the photo.

@anotherlevel "They are on the borders of Gaza so not very far at all. "

So how far is that?

I never said they were 'little girls', so don't misquote me.

I don't consider it deflection to offer an alternative viewpoint to your insistence that Israel lies about everything.

Don't you want to hear another point of view?

@quantumbutterfly ’insistence that Israel lies about everything’ is not what I said is it, you are putting words in people’s mouths again. I said they utilise different types of denial.

Would you prefer the term insinuated?

I thought you wanted to talk about the photo.

Are you ful of peas because you've taken the peas?

I'm not minimising anything. But being raped is bad enough, without also being tortured and dismembered in the process.

Re the rapes before 7/10, can you supply sources for this information please? Was it standard practice that went unpunished?

I am the survivor of a sexual assault. The idea that some rapes are more serious than others is, frankly, obscene. To think this and to post it here is beyond contempt.

I'm so sorry for what happened to you, no one should have to go through that and I'm glad you've survived it.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ending-censorship-idf-admits-officer-jailed-in-2017-raped-a-palestinian-woman/amp/

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220830-israel-forces-sexually-harass-palestinian-minors-in-prisons-report/

https://thejerusalemfund.org/2018/08/sexual-harassment-and-violence/

there will be probably more scenarios

I was asking if it was standard practice that went unpunished. The first article describes a soldier who has been jailed since 2017 for raping a Palestinian woman and exploiting his power (issuing work permits) to commit sexual crimes.

The other two use language like "The insecurities and abuses that Palestinian women face are intrinsically connected to the Palestinian national discourse that claims their bodies as an imagined national body, thus leaving their bodies vulnerable to weaponization" and it is difficult to fathom how much of the content refers to strip-searching and bullying tactics.

Obviously this is awful, but it doesn't sound like the routine rape of minors that you claim.

for perspective

quote from your first link:
The officer committed the crimes from 2013 to 2015.
In March, the officer appealed his sentence to the IDF Court of Appeals. The court upheld his 11-year sentence.
in the comments section of the article in your second link: The Al-Quds article is very deficient on particulars of the alleged sexxual abuse. The Terrorist affiliated organization called Defense for Children International - Palestine (DCIP) wrote a report on the children's section of Megiddo Prision and did not mention sexxual abuse. In their general report on military detention of Palestinian minors it does not report on sexxual abuse of minors. The DCIP reports on 9 types of abuse but sexxual abuse in not one of them. The largest stresser for Palestinian children is being separated from their mammas.
DCIP's report on Megiddo Prison shows that 5 senior Palestinian prisoners chaperon and guide the Palestinian youth in jail. The 5 adult prisoners are with them during the day but sleep apart from them. The children have little direct contact with Israel prison staff except for routine interaction. When weekly inspections or surprise inspections of the children's cells are held, the 5 adult Palestinian prisoners are permitted to take the children to the shower rooms to not be in contact with the prison staff as they do their searches. The children with Palestinian adult supervision are allowed to prepare their own meals. The children are allowed to have parties. There is no mention of sexxual abuse. They are allowed to buy snacks and other items from the children's canteen. The PA transfers the sum of $100 per month per child to an account suprervised by the 5 Palestinian prisoners who order food in bulk from an Israeli company. The children attend classes and have access to library books. They have access to a yard for exercise. .
The Jerusalem fund (a Palestinian NGO) did a 2018 report on sexxual abuse of women. They decided that taking pictures of female detainees was sexxual abuse. The report decided that security searches of the detainees was sexxual abuse. They decided that the use of cuss words was sexxual abuse. Taking pictures of detainees and body searches are part of prison security. Using swear words is part of interrogation.
So just what Al-Quds considers sexxual abuse is not described in their article as reported by Memo.

Third link : The Jerusalem Fund works to educate the United States’ public and policymakers about Palestine’s past, present and future, and provide community development support to communities in Palestine.
Have read this, though @heidiinthebigcity testimony is more powerful.

I will also note that a wikipedia ref about the massacre of Dier Yassin in 1948 referencing widespread rape was directly contradicted by villagers who were present at the time (see 'the fifty years war' on iplayer) but was a piece of propaganda started by the head of the community in Jerusalem as stated by a broadcaster for their radio station who was told to say it, the effect of this lie was to cause palestinians to flee their homes.

For further balance I am sharing this article below. I believe that sexual abuse happens in most systems with a power imbalance, and especially where those without power lack a voice.

Are we meant to believe that the same population treats detainees with more respect than they treat their fellow female colleagues?

The central findings of the report showed that fully 25 percent of conscripted women performing their obligatory service, typically beginning at age 18, have experienced sexual misconduct.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/1-in-4-female-police-or-prison-conscripts-sexually-harassed-or-abused-ombudsman/

Apart from those links are from different years before 7-10 and un last week was saying they had reports of these continuing

there are more links about minors

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-ngo-shut-down-reporting-sexual-assault-ex-us

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/idf-sexual-abuse-palestine-gaza-b2498888.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/2012/8/14/palestinian-children-abused-in-israeli-jail

i didn’t say it was routine in my initial comment. I said that idf is raping women and minors too and this is as awful as what Hamas did

I said that idf is raping women and minors too and this is as awful as what Hamas did
You are using inflammatory language to imply bogus equivalence, based on little more than vague "investigations" by the notoriously biased UN.

Some cultural differences make it difficult to interpret some of the links you've shared, e.g. strip searching being described as "sexual assault" and penetration with an object as "rape."

Of course a rape is equal to a rape. That's not the point here.

You are of course entitled to your view that the rape of a Palestinian woman many years ago, punished by a lengthy jail sentence, and allegations of various other assaults currently being investigated, are absolutely "as awful as what Hamas did."

From my perspective, though, there are important differences, and your refusal to acknowledge any of them suggests that either (1) you completely discount the experiences of Israelis or (2) you actually have no idea/don't believe what Hamas did... or possibly both? 🤷🏾‍♀️

I wondered how we had gone from discussing this inappropriate and disturbing photo to discussing rape. So I looked back through the comments and I can see it is because @Dibilnik has suggested that as Hamas raped women on the October 7th we should view soldiers playing with the underwear of women’s houses they have just destroyed as…..

‘playing silly jokes with the underwear of captured women is a natural way of letting off steam’

So apparently if somebody from your population commits a rape against another population then it’s Ok for them to come and destroy your house and play with your underwear.

It’s also OK because the rapes committed by Hamas were worse than anything Palestinian women have been subjected to. And it’s OK because despite 25% of conscripted females in Israel having experienced sexual abuse, there is very little sexual abuse against Palestinians.

Shall we keep having a competition about whose rape was worse or shall we just agree that rape is wrong full stop and get back to discussing the photo!

It was a long time ago, at a time when wearing a short skirt was viewed as provocation. Thanks for your concern.

@PeasfullPerson It certainly wasn't me who changed the topic. Don't worry though, I can't be bothered wasting my/your time on here any further.

now You are just splitting hairs. But I’ll bite, you called them girls. Clearly you still believe that they are young and just acting like that because they are young.

"Clearly"
Only to you.
I call the older ladies that come into our community cafe 'girls'.

Another pic of someone that would be better in tik tok than in a war

Where was your moral outrage when pictures of rocket launchers in schools were shown?

How do you know who was and wasn't outraged by other disgusting imagery?