Anti-Muslim hate has increased since 7-10

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Out of the 901 off-line cases of anti-Muslim hate, there were 535 reports of abusive behaviour, 77 threats, 83 assaults, 79 acts of vandalism, 69 cases of discrimination, 39 acts of hate speech and 19 examples of anti-Muslim literature.

https://news.sky.com/story/335-rise-in-anti-muslim-hate-cases-in-uk-since-hamass-attack-on-7-october-13078030?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

Most other countries don't provide paid for interpreters for those who don't learn the native language. Are you suggesting public services in most other countries are a disaster?

I love that you continue to stretch. If you are white in England, you are not marginalised. If you don’t want to be called racist or islamaphobic, fix your behaviour. Nobody told you to come on a public forum and spout shit.

I don't think largely that these acts are done by Muslims, I think they are done by Islamists, which is why I think it's vitally important to draw a distinction.

Which area do you live in with a "lot of knife crime done by British young kids", and do you mean white, rather than British?

There is a business model based on demand and supply. There is a market for halal meat, and it is profitable to sell it, so it is more widely available than it used to be when there was less demand for it.

If someone doesn't want to eat it, they don't have to. Just like if I'm somewhere that serves non-halal food, I don't have to eat that. I have a relative who doesn't eat halal meat and it's not exactly difficult for them to find options either.

If you're opposed to halal meat, then it's simple enough to ask before you order or buy something. Just as it's simple enough for me to ask before I do.

Where I work, there's a lot of this too - mostly young men using knives while under the influence. It's pretty common across urban areas of the UK.

I agree in part with the fact that individual families or community may have had nothing directly to do with that decision, but conversely when other individuals or families object to the decision they are disregarded or insulted and labelled as racist, rather than told that financial or supply issues are the reason.

I do think that the traveller community still faces a lot of stigma and abuse in England. And usually look ‘white’.

Expats are not immigrants as they have no intention to stay and normally have visas closely tied to their work (generally for international companies).

I've never heard such rubbish. Where do people learn to make up this stuff? Tell it to the English settled in Spain, for example, retired and with no intention to return.

We all know white people who have no idea that when they go to live abroad, they are immigrants there too. They think they can't be, as they're white. As a white person myself, I have actually heard people say things like, "oh I'm moving abroad, too many immigrants here!". They see no irony. (They don't usually go, either, unfortunately).

Actually, in many areas of the public sector, it's considered good practice to have interpreting services available and free at the point of use for people whose first language is not English, even if they have some understanding of English.

In healthcare, for example, providing a medical history in your 2nd, 3rd or even 4th language isn't going to be nearly as detailed as it would be in your native language, and there can be culturally distinct elements to how someone presents - missing those means a less thorough and accurate assessment.

In law, it's much harder to follow legal proceedings in a 2nd, 3rd, 4th language. Having access to an interpreter helps counterbalance those disadvantages.

As I've said before, it's hard to learn and communicate in multiple languages. Using an interpreter doesn't mean someone hasn't tried.

So the Irish, Travelers, Jews and other white people in England aren't marginalised? Check your privilege.

And apparently white Muslims can't be marginalised either, according to @MCOut . Perhaps sweeping stereotypes show innate prejudice, when trying to appear righteous.

And is there a reason why you’re trying to link Islamist with a thread that is about the hate crime Muslim people are going through and that has spiked since 7-10?

Zero issues with Muslims or anyone else who isn't white british.

Our health service would fall apart without migrants, many of whom will be Muslim.

I'd imagine Lee Anderson would have no issues with a Muslim medic saving his life?

Terrorism can be committed by anyone, its not uniquely a Muslim issue.

3 teenagers have been killed in my city since the beginning of the year. Another 2 attacked I believe. they were British , and If you worry about their skin colour 2 of the death were white.

The attackers were white, or the victims, or both? You know you can be British and not white?

"Are these acts only done by Muslim people ?"

I was answering your question.

Islamophobia is not racism. There is a lot of overlap because by in large Muslims in this country are generally people of colour but it is reductive to say that all Islamophobia is racism.

Firstly, there is an element of choice in religion that there isn’t in race. The white Muslims I know are upfront about downplaying this aspect of themselves. It is horrible that they have to, but it is an option that is available. Whereas Muslims of colour or even those who are not Muslim but are of an ethnicity whose people generally follow Islam, are assumed to be inherently inferior, backward and antifeminist on sight.

the names of the attackers have not been released nor their religion , however, I’ve the feeling you’re trying to blame these deaths on their religion. As you say you can be British and Muslim and also British and white. So that you’re aware in case you’re not white British people also commit crimes

They are white. The majority in this country is also white. I think they definitely face discrimination on an individual and institutional level but they are accepted as white. On that basis, they’re not usually being marginalised because of their race.

I’ll admit, I don’t know much about them I don’t even think I’ve met a traveller. Jewish people I will concede can face racism. However, when they do they are usually excluded from whiteness. Again, I don’t think all anti-semitism is racism.

I think that I pretty much agree with everything that you've said, but unfortunately the much of the media, MPs, and those who are vocal, frequently conflate the two and use Islamophobia and racism interchangably.

The United Nations goes a step further in providing a more precise definition of the term.
It states: “Islamophobia is a fear, prejudice and hatred of Muslims that leads to provocation, hostility and intolerance by means of threatening, harassment, abuse, incitement and intimidation of Muslims and non-Muslims, both in the online and offline world.
“Motivated by institutional, ideological, political and religious hostility that transcends into structural and cultural racism, it targets the symbols and markers of being a Muslim.”
The definition goes on to say Islamophobia is a form of racism, whereby Islamic religion, tradition and culture are seen as a ‘threat’ to western values.
However, the scope and precise definition is a continuing subject of debate. Some scholars dispute it is a form of racism on the grounds that religion is not a race.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/15/islamophobia-racism-definition-free-speech-theresa-may

I'm not trying to blame these deaths on anyone, you specifically made the point "Again are all Muslims committing this crime? Or are you using a small amount of crime to blame a whole community. There is a lot of knife crime in my area done by British young kids. Should I blame all British teenagers to be a killers? This is what you currently are doing. " in the context that not all Muslims commit crimes - you are trying to say that British people aren't Muslim or that Muslims aren't British? British is a nationality, Muslim isn't; why are you conflating the two? British people are white, black, brown and every other colour on the spectrum, so please do elaborate on what distinguishes the "British" young kids who are committing this knife crime. Are you trying to say white kids, and if so, why say British kids?

There is a lot of ignorance about Islam on this thread and in our society at large.
I think some do not understand the difference between culture and religion and
the right wing press and this government loves to demonise Islam.
I believe racism is a fear reaction, brought on by ignorance.
To combat it, we need to educate, educate, educate.
I taught RE in a multicultural school with Muslim, Christian, Sikh, Hindu and of no faith children. They taught each other about their faiths, they shared food and celebrated their holy days together. If children can do this, why can't we all?

@SaffronSpice

So you admit that women do not have equal rights in Islam? That Muslims do not treat women equally?

The poster is saying that is not the subject of this thread, but I am curious. You do realise that quite a few Muslim countries have had female presidents and the USA has never had any, despite women being 50% of the population? Do you think women in the USA need to be liberated from their oppression by bombs, the way the USA and UK like to liberate Muslim women?