Anti-Muslim hate has increased since 7-10

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Out of the 901 off-line cases of anti-Muslim hate, there were 535 reports of abusive behaviour, 77 threats, 83 assaults, 79 acts of vandalism, 69 cases of discrimination, 39 acts of hate speech and 19 examples of anti-Muslim literature.

https://news.sky.com/story/335-rise-in-anti-muslim-hate-cases-in-uk-since-hamass-attack-on-7-october-13078030?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

There are all-girls and all-boys schools in the UK. It's an education option that's been available for a long time, completely independent of Islam.

Are these acts only done by Muslim people ? Or are we using what a few do to blame a whole community and also create hate crime against the community ?

You know this simply isn't true.

When the IRA were bombing left right and centre in the 80s/90s there was a lot of anti-Irish sentiment and it lingered.

I moved out of London for work, made the mistake of mentioning my Irish heritage and got horrible, cutting treatment. I still receive a certain level of it in certain circles if the subject comes up.

I hate to see it happen to anyone and, as a pp said I believe it demonstrates a certain level of stupidity. I feel PARTICULARLY protective, however of the Jewish community in this country as they are by FAR the minority in this particular battle and have faced continual persecution for longer than most civilisations have been able to write.

Neither of the above. Please read my posts.

”expats” (as opposed to immigrants - apparently only a term that applies to brown people who move overseas)

I’ve know plenty of ‘brown’ expats in the UK. Expats are not immigrants as they have no intention to stay and normally have visas closely tied to their work (generally for international companies).

Again are all Muslims committing this crime? Or are you using a small amount of crime to blame a whole community. There is a lot of knife crime in my area done by British young kids. Should I blame all British teenagers to be a killers? This is what you currently are doing. And it’s mainly the reason of this thread.

No. If people really want that they need to seek specialist schools.

But even in mainstream schools and workplaces, why not adapt and accommodate reasonable requests. Eg many hospitals now have a prayer room. So it supports the much-needed workforce to practise their faith whilst they work. I live where there is a large Jewish population and big school events don’t take place on Jewish holidays. I think it’s ok to expect and accommodate reasonable adjustments by discussion with relevant groups. It’s amazing how understanding people can be when they talk with each other openly and without prejudice and solutions can be found.

Some people froth at the mouth about this stuff. Others find compromises and workable solutions. I know which group I prefer to be in.

Again, none of the above. You are not reading or deliberately misrepresenting my posts.

I feel PARTICULARLY protective, however of the Jewish community in this country as they are by FAR the minority in this particular battle

A Muslim kid facing verbal Islamophobic abuse feels as much fear as a Jewish child facing antisemitic comments. It’s not a competition.

It is all disgusting and we should be shouting down both.

I think ‘expat’ denotes having money. I haven’t heard the temporary immigrant workforce from the Indian subcontinent who are abused and build the skyscrapers of Dubai being called that.

They aren’t immigrants either.

Which part of my post is not true?

I find I have some fundamental disagreements with Islam. Not only with the way in which women are viewed, but also the Holy War element of Jihad which I have interpreted (and seen) to be something that does not sit especially well alongside Western Christian values. (there are also the views on homosexuality, adultery, Sabbath breakers etc. that fundamentally clash with a lot of my western beliefs)

It seems to me that Muslims and Non-Muslims will find it very difficult to live equally and peacefully together given what the scriptures actually say - the clash of values is a big one. And this appears to be playing out. We have had many years of people being tolerant and accepting, waiting for integration but I do fear the gap is too wide to repair permanently. Yes, Brexit was a sign that people are fed up of the experiment of multiculturalism, and I don't think that make you a bigot necessarily, it makes you someone who wants to retain some of your historical familial culture - as do all humans across the globe - so not something unique to white british people. It is literally a part of your wellbeing to be part of a community, one which has a history and grounding and a common shared set of values - and saying that is nothing, and you should just bow down and give up on your community and bend your values is naive at best and disgustingly offensive at worst.

This obviously doesn't sit entirely comfortably with me. I understand that the multicultural experiment is none of our faults, and we have done it now, and we will have to learn to deal with it better because as the OP has pointed out, I am very sure that there is a rise in anti-Muslim sentiment and that is not good. I just think it is inevitable given the acutely different sets of beliefs between Muslims and non-Muslims and politicians should never have been so naive as to put us all in this position.

I know. I said temporary. But I have never heard the term expat used for them. It’s a term of privilege.

There are many of us leading happy and content multicultural lives. Eg My daughter has had the same three friends since the age of three. One Muslim, one Hindu, one Jewish and one Christian/atheist girl. Our families are good friends. We eat out regularly (finding somewhere where everyone can eat something). This is not an isolated example. It doesn’t make the news headlines.

It is extreme idiots that stop people living peacefully alongside each other.

It is literally a part of your wellbeing to be part of a community, one which has a history and grounding and a common shared set of values - and saying that is nothing, and you should just bow down and give up on your community and bend your values is naive at best and disgustingly offensive at worst.

Oh and this mixed group of friends I have is my (multicultural) community and makes for great wellbeing. Your last comment says a hell of a lot about you btw.

Quite. There isn’t some sort of hierarchy here about who should feel most discriminated against! It’s all wrong!

Islam is not a race where there is no link between the beliefs of one person of a specific race and another. Muslims have a specific belief/ideology - Islam - in common. It is not about people immigrating, it is a belief system, a belief that many of us absolutely do have issues with. It is not a hate crime to criticise Islam. To say I do not want my daughters to grow up in a country where they are considered not equal to men.

Most likely the hate crime that I was opening this thread with wasn’t related with “I don’t want my daughter to live in a Muslim country” but “you’re not British go back to your country” or being spat for wearing a hijab.

I have no idea what you are going on about SaffronSpice, you sound like a complete daily mail reading Bigot to me. My children are raised Muslim and we do not teach them that women are inferior. Nor does any other Muslim that I know.

Well quite. I can find things to criticise in most religions. But I wouldn’t hurl abuse at someone from a religion or treat them badly because of that. People seem to be struggling to understand the difference.

Yes, but I am not aware of any multi-faith schools which have switched solely to Kosher meat.

Because when militants use this as an excuse to demand different treatment and take legal action, I see it as a problem.

It's a legal requirement to wear a crash helmet, it's not a legal requirement or apparently even a religious requirement to wear a face covering - it's a choice.

You're right, and your faith isn't defined by your colour either. This thread suggests that people can tell a Muslim by the colour of their skin and are targeting hate at them, when, in reality, lots of white people are Muslim, and lots of non-white people are not Muslim. Perhaps the issue is language, and quite rightly we should separate racism from religion.

Perfect, given that my family were from an ethnic minority who were persecuted, I guess that covers me, and I'll remember your definition when somebody calls me a racist for disagreeing with them. Or does marginalisation die out over a generation, depending of course on your skin colour?

I can't quote from your original post because it's been deleted, but to paraphrase "80% of the world's famine is in Gaza" which is disingenuous as even the report states "Currently, Gaza is not classified as a full famine because its population only meets the first criteria, he said, but the population is on the way there. Roughly a quarter of the population has already reached the “famine” classification", so around 150,000. Given that millions of people in Yemen already face famine, the small number of Gazans quoted by one single report don't suddenly change the global landscape. Ask Hamas why they have allowed this to happen; why Hamas aren't starving, why the elected government in Gaza has the obliteration of Israel as a stated goal, and why they spend more on arms than they do on looking after their citizens.

‘Yes, but I am not aware of any multi-faith schools which have switched solely to Kosher meat.’

Do you think that an aggressive Muslim contingent demanded this? Or did the school respond to market forces which I think is slightly different. It probably saw that there was not much uptake of meat in areas with a large Muslim population so they considered it better value to use a supplier which would suit more families. Or halal meat was the cheapest option available, which is often the case.

You will probably be shocked at how many restaurants and takeaways use halal meat because it is often a more affordable option. I bet you never ask. Of course it is fine to question the quality of halal meat, that is not an issue. What I do find problematic is when a certain kind of person gets up in arms about halal meat being used in schools , without realising that the individual families or community may have had nothing directly to do with that decision.

"If there are people who can only eat pork sausages due to religious/dietary restrictions and there are no possible substitutes," - there are plenty of substitutes for halal meat, widely available, so perhaps we don't need to provide halal meat?