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Conflict in the Middle East

Anti-Muslim hate has increased since 7-10

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EasterIssland · 22/02/2024 19:24

Out of the 901 off-line cases of anti-Muslim hate, there were 535 reports of abusive behaviour, 77 threats, 83 assaults, 79 acts of vandalism, 69 cases of discrimination, 39 acts of hate speech and 19 examples of anti-Muslim literature.

https://news.sky.com/story/335-rise-in-anti-muslim-hate-cases-in-uk-since-hamass-attack-on-7-october-13078030?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

Greatest rise in anti-Muslim hate in UK since Hamas's attack on 7 October

Incidents included verbal threats, online abuse and in one instance, a Muslim family had the word "Hamas" written on their front door, a UK-based organisation has said.

https://news.sky.com/story/335-rise-in-anti-muslim-hate-cases-in-uk-since-hamass-attack-on-7-october-13078030?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

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Parkingt111 · 27/02/2024 11:43

@CroftonWillow and what exactly are myself and family supposed to do, to be considered as part of 'us' apart from what we are doing already?
Lived as a minority within a minority in my town for the last ten odd years, have great relationships with various neighbours, yet still recieve abuse for being Muslim once in awhile from total strangers.
Whatever I do will never be good enough for some because I am visibly muslim, even though we go out of our way and make that extra effort when we can because we know there's a chance people will be looking at us suspiciously.
We had a mosque open day once, I had a lovely chat with an elderly lady who came to visit, before she left she said I didn't realise you were just like us. I just smiled as I know she didn't mean it in a offensive way, but it's the reality of the lives for many of us here that we will always be outsiders.

MCOut · 27/02/2024 11:45

usernamealreadytaken · 27/02/2024 11:39

Like I said, we're all racist. Some just won't admit it.

Prejudiced. Not racist, only a non-marginalised group can be racist.

user146990847202 · 27/02/2024 11:47

As a white atheist, I object strongly to a religious war being brought to our doorstep, to our streets.
High time all religion was banned for the trouble it causes.

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:47

Parkingt111 · 27/02/2024 11:43

@CroftonWillow and what exactly are myself and family supposed to do, to be considered as part of 'us' apart from what we are doing already?
Lived as a minority within a minority in my town for the last ten odd years, have great relationships with various neighbours, yet still recieve abuse for being Muslim once in awhile from total strangers.
Whatever I do will never be good enough for some because I am visibly muslim, even though we go out of our way and make that extra effort when we can because we know there's a chance people will be looking at us suspiciously.
We had a mosque open day once, I had a lovely chat with an elderly lady who came to visit, before she left she said I didn't realise you were just like us. I just smiled as I know she didn't mean it in a offensive way, but it's the reality of the lives for many of us here that we will always be outsiders.

The abuse you recieve is wrong and I'm sorry this is your experience. As I've said the only solution is if Muslims like yourself on mass call out and tackle the extremism within certain factions of your religion. I know they don't represent you in any way so it must be called out and if at all possible stopped. That's the only way I can see progress being made.

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:51

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:39

Nowhere have I indicated I'm blaming the victims (I assume you mean non-extremist Muslims?). I clearly lay the blame at the extremists.

When someone chooses to spit at me in the street, threaten my child, assault me, issue death threats, paint offensive graffiti on the street I walk down, discriminate against me when I seek to access public services, etc., I tend to consider them to have responsibility for their own actions.

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:53

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:51

When someone chooses to spit at me in the street, threaten my child, assault me, issue death threats, paint offensive graffiti on the street I walk down, discriminate against me when I seek to access public services, etc., I tend to consider them to have responsibility for their own actions.

It's wrong, they should be punished. But it's a response to the extremism we've imported from your religion.

Parkingt111 · 27/02/2024 11:54

@CroftonWillow do you think we don't? There's nothing worse than that sinking feeling of hearing about an attack here and finding out that the perpetrator is muslim. Because unlike other groups when the attacker is muslim then all the Muslims in Britain are held responsible for it by some.

Auvergne63 · 27/02/2024 11:54

Parkingt111 · 27/02/2024 11:33

@CroftonWillow who is 'us' that you refer to? time and time again as a British Muslim who was born here and grew up here, I am reminded that I am not seen as a part of British society. I am and always will be an outsider.

I am so sorry this is what this country has become. I have lived in the UK for the last 35 years and the racism towards minorities is now in the open and supported by our government. Brexit was the catalyst.

Desertrose2023 · 27/02/2024 11:56

usernamealreadytaken · 27/02/2024 11:36

I’m not sure if you’re being intentionally obtuse but here are the facts (extract and link below).

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/01/over-one-hundred-days-war-israel-destroying-gazas-food-system-and#:~:text=GENEVA%20(16%20January%202024)%20–,to%20UN%20human%20rights%20experts.

GENEVA (16 January 2024) – Gazans now make up 80 per cent of all people facing famine or catastrophic hunger worldwide, marking an unparalleled humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip amid Israel’s continued bombardment and siege, according to UN human rights experts.

SaffronSpice · 27/02/2024 11:57

only a non-marginalised group can be racist.

nonsense.

MCOut · 27/02/2024 11:57

user146990847202 · 27/02/2024 11:47

As a white atheist, I object strongly to a religious war being brought to our doorstep, to our streets.
High time all religion was banned for the trouble it causes.

It’s not really right to characterise it as religious. It’s more an ethnic conflict similar to Bosnia in that the two sides largely follow different religions

Auvergne63 · 27/02/2024 11:58

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:42

In this thread...

Us vs them
It's their own fault
Antisemitism is bad
Pork sausages must be available everywhere

We just need "Coming here, stealing our jobs and our women" and it's pretty much a full house in Casual Islamophobia Bingo.

The sad part is that people probably genuinely don't see it as being wrong. It's normal for people in the UK to be able to say these things to their friends and colleagues, on the internet, on TV.

Even in a thread specifically intended to be about Anti-Muslim hatred, it's turning into a thread of Anti-Muslim sentiments.

You forgot walking on our pavement and breathing our air ( you need to have been in the country for 5 years before you can do that).

MCOut · 27/02/2024 11:59

SaffronSpice · 27/02/2024 11:57

only a non-marginalised group can be racist.

nonsense.

We have to agree to disagree. Prejudice against white people is not racism because it is not going to affect life outcomes. Is it equally as unpleasant on an individual level? Yes. But that is as far as it goes.

PaintInColour · 27/02/2024 12:00

usernamealreadytaken · 27/02/2024 11:02

Not sure what relevance largely wealthy and highly skilled or well-educated ex-pats (white, or any other colour) have on this conversation - ex-pats tend to be short-term residents specifically for work purposes, or are self supporting. To extend your argument, are Dubai and Bahrain welcoming of white ex-pats who lose their jobs, who can no longer support themselves? Do they allow them to wear any clothes they choose to, and do they ensure that pork sausages are available if that's what those ex-pats choose to eat? Do they generously support those poor souls, and invite them to bring their entire extended families to stay, and allow them to live in nice little white enclaves? Do they buggery. The current conversation relates to citizens and immigrants, and the accommodations made or not made for them.

The UK is frequently portrayed as a racist country, although there are few racists. Muslims are largely peaceful and lovely people, but there are a few Islamist extremists and therefore they are treated in exactly the same way as the peaceful and welcoming Brits - tarred with the brush of the vocal and visual minority.

If there are people who can only eat pork sausages due to religious/dietary restrictions and there are no possible substitutes, then that should be catered for. How many people like this do you know? Stop being silly.

You know exactly what you are saying, without using the words.

Humdingerydoo · 27/02/2024 12:01

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:36

It's wrong but it's unfortunately an inevitable response.

I'm sorry but I completely disagree with this. It's not an inevitable response. People have a choice in how they respond. Racism, in this case Islamophobia, is a choice. An incredibly lazy choice but a choice nonetheless.

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 12:02

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:53

It's wrong, they should be punished. But it's a response to the extremism we've imported from your religion.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree there.

This kind of thing is widespread and normalised in UK society and has been for generations. Different groups have been on the receiving end at different points in time.

No matter what different groups do to try to 'conform', the only lasting solution is for people across society, in government and in the media to actually take a long hard look at themselves and be willing to challenge the underlying processes perpetuating this.

Additionally, I think if you actually were to look, you would see a lot of very positive community work, including projects looking at helping divert people away from the risk factors for involvement with extremism, projects helping develop bridges between communities, etc. all active within Muslim communities and organisations. One of the biggest challenges such projects encounter is that, if you're reaching out to make a connection, the connection is only established if someone reaches back, and often I've found a distinct lack of interest in engagement when doing so.

PaintInColour · 27/02/2024 12:02

usernamealreadytaken · 27/02/2024 10:35

Halal slaughter, allowing students to leave classes for prayer sessions, allowing face coverings for religious purposes but not other (eg petrol stations refusing to serve motorcyclists if they do not remove their crash helmets), provision of long term interpreter services because people do not learn the native language, being labelled racist for objecting to any of these very few examples.

Should people not be allowed to practise their religions? Is that what you are saying?

Public services would be a disaster without interpreters. It would end up costing more as people got the wrong medication or misunderstood advice. I do wish people would make a concerted attempt to learn the language. But expats in Spain struggle with it, so I expect many Muslims struggle here too. What can you do?

PaintInColour · 27/02/2024 12:08

Anyway if nothing else, we can see from this thread that Islamophobia is around as much as ever, with a dash of racism thrown in. And no politicians or celebs care and nobody will ever march against it. And so it continues.

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 12:09

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 12:02

I think we'll have to agree to disagree there.

This kind of thing is widespread and normalised in UK society and has been for generations. Different groups have been on the receiving end at different points in time.

No matter what different groups do to try to 'conform', the only lasting solution is for people across society, in government and in the media to actually take a long hard look at themselves and be willing to challenge the underlying processes perpetuating this.

Additionally, I think if you actually were to look, you would see a lot of very positive community work, including projects looking at helping divert people away from the risk factors for involvement with extremism, projects helping develop bridges between communities, etc. all active within Muslim communities and organisations. One of the biggest challenges such projects encounter is that, if you're reaching out to make a connection, the connection is only established if someone reaches back, and often I've found a distinct lack of interest in engagement when doing so.

I agree with much of this. Both communities need to work together better to improve things.

SaffronSpice · 27/02/2024 12:10

Should people not be allowed to practise their religions? Is that what you are saying?

How far do you go with this? Should sexes be segregated in schools?

Desertrose2023 · 27/02/2024 12:10

I can’t believe this thread on hatred and bigotry has descended into a debate on the availability of pork sausages for “expats” (as opposed to immigrants - apparently only a term that applies to brown people who move overseas).

I can confirm I’ve been to Dubai ladies and that all the major supermarkets have “non Halal/non Muslim” sections where one, can indeed, acquire said pork sausages. Based on the number of teenage girls wandering around the malls in hotpants with sunburned bums on show, you can also rest easy on that front too.

here’s a link where you can even order gammon steak if it helps release your outrage.

https://www.spinneys.com/en-ae/catalogue/category/non-muslim_563/

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https://www.spinneys.com/en-ae/catalogue/category/non-muslim_563/

SaffronSpice · 27/02/2024 12:12

PaintInColour · 27/02/2024 12:08

Anyway if nothing else, we can see from this thread that Islamophobia is around as much as ever, with a dash of racism thrown in. And no politicians or celebs care and nobody will ever march against it. And so it continues.

And yet in the Scottish First Minister elections it was Christianity, not Islam, that was roundly criticised by mainstream media.

PaintInColour · 27/02/2024 12:12

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:53

It's wrong, they should be punished. But it's a response to the extremism we've imported from your religion.

Like antisemitic attacks are in response to the actions of the Israeli government? Nope. It’s never acceptable or understandable. Hate crimes, racism and prejudice are never ok. It’s black and white, pardon the (kind of) pun. Do not blame innocent victims for the acts of others.

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 12:12

PaintInColour · 27/02/2024 12:02

Should people not be allowed to practise their religions? Is that what you are saying?

Public services would be a disaster without interpreters. It would end up costing more as people got the wrong medication or misunderstood advice. I do wish people would make a concerted attempt to learn the language. But expats in Spain struggle with it, so I expect many Muslims struggle here too. What can you do?

Language learning is hard, especially as an adult.

It's hard enough trying to learn a language that uses the same script (eg English, French, Spanish). Learning languages that use completely different scripts and sounds is really challenging, especially to a high level. I can read, write and speak several different languages in different scripts to varying standards, but I still think in my native language, constantly translating back and forth in my head. That means I'm nowhere near as good at communicating in those languages.

Thanks for understanding the importance of interpreters.

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 12:14

PaintInColour · 27/02/2024 12:12

Like antisemitic attacks are in response to the actions of the Israeli government? Nope. It’s never acceptable or understandable. Hate crimes, racism and prejudice are never ok. It’s black and white, pardon the (kind of) pun. Do not blame innocent victims for the acts of others.

I haven't. Please read my posts.

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