Standing up for Israel

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So, they have got to MN now too.
I just managed to read the previous post before it got deleted for being inflammatory. Not to me it wasn't but then I don't support terrorists.
Many, many people do stand for Israel and not for Hamas (and by definition their supporters; you know who you are).

Who do you think Israel was negotiating with when 110 hostages were released in November?

They’ve been negotiating since 7-10. It’s not anything new. Or do you think the previous ceasefire in nov and exchange of people just happened out of nowhere.

@Humdingerydoo it states the airstrikes coincided with the raid to allow its forces to be extracted, I understand that to mean a distraction so troops could get out safely.

I understood it to mean that they couldn't get out safely without it as they were being shot at. The soldiers were having to use their own bodies to protect the two hostages as they were under fire.

Well that's good that the Israeli troops were unharmed. And the hostages of course. But the footage showing children's severed feet and other body parts strewn around their tents shows that it was not a good option for many others.

@ConnieCounter as Hamas would have known. I don't see why your anger is not with them?
Why hide them there? Because they are shields.

Well I'm mainly upset at those who bombed and killed the civilians.

I don't think that bombing refugee camps is ever reasonable. I'm fairly horrified that you do.

@ConnieCounter did I say that?

I think also you have to remember that the people in Gaza literally cannot leave because they are literally locked in.
I’m not sure you can put all the blame on Hamas for using civilians as human shields when it is not actually Hamas preventing them from leaving (plus the whole human shields thing only works if it actually prevents the enemy from bombing you. Not much use if they bomb away regardless)

I presumed by arguing in favour of Israel re what happened last night that you must think the bombing was reasonable. Do you not agree with what Israel did? If not, my apologies.

@ConnieCounter I am in favour of liberating the hostages.

Even if that means bombing a refugee camp?

I'm just trying to clarify your position as you objected to my earlier assumption.

But not in favour of avoiding over 100 civilian deaths in the process?

i know the answer you’re going to receive “yes. But it’s Hamas and only Hamas fault”

Yep

I understood it to mean that they couldn't get out safely without it as they were being shot at.
So yes a distraction to confuse the situation and allow a safe passage for the hostages. The airstrikes occurred in a different part of Rafah so once again Palestinians are expendable. It is just highlighting again that the IDF are not trying to limit civilian casualties because bombing an extremely built up area has no other end result than death and destruction. The Irish deputy prime Minister (Tànaiste) has suggested the bombardment of Rafah violates humanitarian law.

RTE news : Rafah operation 'violates humanitarian law' - Martin

http://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2024/0212/1431864-rafah-gaza-martin/

Ex-Israeli PM makes devastating condemnation of Netanyahu’s war in Gazan | The Independent
Very interesting article, you will find. Btw, I am aware that he isn't squeaky clean and that he has an agenda as well.

His words on radio 4 were also interesting. He said ( I am paraphrasing here): " The only thing standing in the way of a viable resolution to this is Netanyahu."
I agree with him.

Wasn't aware the IDF were Hamas puppets...

We are all responsible for our own actions and the consequences of those actions. This is also true of the IDF

I wouldn't say the only thing, there are quite a few others, but I definitely agree that he is a major obstacle on the path to peace both short-term and long-term.

@Humdingerydoo I agree with that.

Even if that involves bombing a refugee camp?

Genuine question. Is that what you believe? That the bombing of the camp was justified because it was to liberate hostages?

This was on The State of Israel's official page which has now been deleted.

Is this the Israel you stand with?
Israel the state that is providing aid to the Palestinian civilians?
Is this about Hamas?

x.com/Shayan86/status/1757032141454446758?s=20

I wanted to say thanks for the links I asked about, which were posted upthread - this thread moves so fast I struggle to keep up.

Regarding the quoted post - I don't think many (truly) believe it at this stage. Of course they hold some of the blame, but not all. Not by a long shot.

How can anyone with an ounce of intelligence trust a government who continuously lies to them?

Eek. They just shoot themselves in the foot continuously.