"The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews" (part two) ***MNHQ has tweaked the title in order to make the quote more clear***

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Only the few apparently........these pictures are from todays March. Footage to follow..

It's not my problem you continue to misrepresent what I'm saying.

Have a good day anyway. 🤷‍♂️

I agree, DownNative, if we sit around waiting till people stop hating each other, nothing will ever be achieved.

And telling people they can’t hate the person who killed their mum is also unrealistic. Not everyone can be a saint.

Definately don't mean to burst someone else's love and hate free bubble. I am an old hippie after all.

However I am also Jewish with one parents family from Europe. So if everyone had sat back and not physically stopped the nazis myself and my children would not exsist. Not to mention most the rest of the current Ashkenazi population

Afraid hate isn't nice and I do prefer people learn to.get on. However there is a time for telling people to ceasefire and not react to violence from those that attack them but a time when a physycial reaction is the only response available. That pains me to say, however is true

The reaction that we are seeing now from Israel is hardly proportionate. Hate and revenge is a vicious cycle.

What is proportionate to the worst terrorist atrocity on land in history since the Holocaust?

Care to share?

https://x.com/ShirionOrg/status/1747021198976799160?s=20

Today in New York City. At Sloan Kettering, which is a well-known cancer hospital. Assholes.

hate and revenge is a vicious cycle @QueenRania ?
Someone should have told that to the Allies who destroyed Hitler (huge loss of life, Hitler eradicated)

It is not axiomatic that simply feeling "Hate and revenge is a vicious cycle". You can feel these things without ever acting on them.

Hamas acted on them on 7th October 2023. In response, Israel wishes to destroy Hamas and their terrorist infrastructure in Gaza - that's retaliation.

It seems to be constantly ignored that the death toll will be high precisely because Hamas use Gazans as human shields.

And they have a history of doing so before 2023.

it's conveniently forgotten @DownNative all the time, by the very people who'd be shouting for a firm response to any such terror attack on British soil.

Just to put it out there, some of us were marching on Saturday due to our Christian pacifist beliefs - we don't think war is the answer. And we wish no ill on Israel or Jewish people. Quite the opposite in fact. We pray for peace, dignity and prosperity on both sides. You won't read about this in the mainstream media though. Nor will you see pictures of the countless Muslims who came out to the demo as a family, with kids and grandparents joining in. I don't doubt for a moment there were some unpleasant people present on the march on Saturday even if I didn't personally see them, and I'm not naive about some parts of the hard left. But Saturday was largely a wholesome and well-behaved event.
www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2024/19-january/news/uk/christians-hope-to-make-their-presence-felt-in-gaza-protests

That is a complete assumption on your part. You only need to look at the million people that marched in London who demonstrated against invading Iraq and that was after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Assuming we would all be baying for blood is not true. Didn't happen in the 80s and 90s when the IRA terrorist campaign was at its height and is unlikely to happen now

It seems to be constantly ignored that the death toll will be high precisely because Hamas use Gazans as human shields.
Are you seriously suggesting that the death toll is so high because Hamas are using Gazans as human shields? Pull the other one it has bells on.

thankfully we didn't take the pacifist standpoint in WW2.

https://twitter.com/LucBernard/status/1747189460276838680

Long established as a Hamas tactic and the reasons for it is discussed in NATO StratCom COE 2019 report assessing the period shown in attachment. 🤦‍♂️

Your bells must not be working....

Are you seriously suggesting that the death toll is so high because Hamas are using Gazans as human shields? Pull the other one it has bells on

I would say the same thing. They're clearly and deliberately deeply embedded in civilian infrastructure, and aim for the highest possible civilian death tolls as a PR tool.

If PIRAs campaign was on the level of Hamas' in addition to Hezbollah, the UK population WOULD have called for much, much stronger action than was required in reality.

PIRA was NOT that kind of threat. Hell, they had ZERO missile launching capabilities! Hamas makes PIRA look like a terrorism playgroup! 🤦‍♂️

Your statement doesn't follow and is a non-sequitur fallacy.

Fact is, the UK has NOT had a serious enough attack - internal or external - to warrant really strong military action similar to Israel since 1945.

When conflicts break out, pacifism is not only an impractical way of dealing with an aggressor but is also a privileged position to adopt.

Meaning the privilege is yours for living in a country that hasn't faced serious military action, invasions, attempted invasions, plans for an invasion, etc, since 1945.

Military action paired with the political approach can resolve conflicts. This is known as The Whole Of Government Approach.

Idealism doesn't deal well with these situations. Practical minded approaches do which is what conflict resolution is actually based on.

You really think it was hate that ended WW2? I would say the very opposite to the defenders of hatred, it was hate that started it. Anyway, I know I'm not going to turn anyone away from their hatred on this thread, I can't even persuade you that it's not wrong to tell your children that they shouldn't hate whole groups of people.

I'm not a pacifist btw.

There's going to be a pro Palestine demo in a city near me this
weekend. I'm going to go after reading this thread. And I plan to challenge
anyone I see carrying a hate filled placard (based on this thread, pretty sure
they won't listen to my 'put hate aside' message) My placard will just say
'Peace'.

And what if the person who killed your mum is a faceless state? Ok for them to hate all the people of Israel? And by extension all Jews?

Anyway, as I said up thread, spreading hate is winning hands down. I won't be apart of it though.

I'm afraid misrepresenting people's points and arguments isn't particularly valid. Not one iota.

Step away from the discussion if you like. 🤷‍♂️

Thankfully I have never been in that position but because of that I would never get on a moral high horse and pontificate about how people should feel if it did happen.

As I said, feeling hatred is one thing and acting on it is another.

If an individual acts on it by attacking a Sovereign Power and their civilians, those people would not only be in the wrong but carrying out possible acts of terrorism for which the price might well be their own death.

Again, an Argument From Hypothesis Contrary To Fact won't help you against the core argument made which is:

1. Conflict resolution does NOT require an absence of hate.

2. Own your own emotions - valid to feel hate.

3. It's NOT morally, ethically or legally right to ACT on your own feelings of hatred.

4. Actions speak louder than words.

I am aware it is a Hamas tactic but I am disputing your claim that it is why the death toll in Gaza is so high, which currently stands at 24,000 and over 60,000 wounded. Which is higher than any other 21st century conflict.