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Conflict in the Middle East

Documenting the horror that is Hamas part two

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stomachameleon · 07/01/2024 15:13

Part two of the thread
@25milesfromhome were where we?

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Hellenika · 09/01/2024 00:32

Girahim · 09/01/2024 00:16

No I meant to write it to you. You've come on multiple threads to go after posters who criticise Hamas, lecturing them on why they're wrong like you're in a school debate club. And then you actually fucking accuse me of minimising rape based on nothing, while ignoring the posts actually doing that.

It wasn’t based on nothing. I’m still scratching my head on how my post confirming that Hamas is likely raping many, if not all, the POWs is somehow saying Hamas “aren’t that bad actually”. You still haven’t explained that.

You’re deflecting now to saying I’m “going after posters that criticise Hamas”….how so? When you have literally come after me after I posted my criticism of Hamas for their sexual violence!

Trulywonderful · 09/01/2024 00:33

quantumbutterfly · 09/01/2024 00:17

well who knew that santa had an evil twin?

😂

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 00:37

I cannot fathom looking at the rape, torture, murder, sadism, abduction and carnage that happened on 7th October and decide that it was important to say "wait, that bit that they did, that tiny bit, that was legal"

I mean, I like an argument as much as the next person (probably way more in fact), but even I would hesitate to argue the side of Hamas who did all that even if I thought I was right, because winning a technical argument isn't a good enough reason to go simping for terrorists.

It might make me look like I'd lost all sense of proportion and humanity.

Girahim · 09/01/2024 00:38

Hellenika · 09/01/2024 00:32

It wasn’t based on nothing. I’m still scratching my head on how my post confirming that Hamas is likely raping many, if not all, the POWs is somehow saying Hamas “aren’t that bad actually”. You still haven’t explained that.

You’re deflecting now to saying I’m “going after posters that criticise Hamas”….how so? When you have literally come after me after I posted my criticism of Hamas for their sexual violence!

So please point to where I have minimised rape.

Livinginanotherworld · 09/01/2024 00:38

Trulywonderful · 09/01/2024 00:30

Transaction:

I have just been reading the Jewish mumsneters board

They are talking about the antisemitism and terrorists support on mumsnet

Someone said they will contact the CST because mumsnet moderators team need better training

Another user on the board suggested that of anyone has screenshots if deleted posts maybe they should private message the user that will talk to the CST

(Apparently someone can not read and has bad compression. However looking at what some posters write I don't think this is a surprise)

Edited

Thank you for the explanation. I didn’t know there was a Jewish equivalent of mumsnet, you learn something new everyday. It still doesn’t make it right that people are conspiring behind other peoples backs however, or copying posts to another forum. All sounds a bit sinister to me, we should be aware of people who are reporting others to give the right of reply, otherwise you could twist it to any old crap. If you can’t say something up front to the person you have a problem with, you should not say it at all. We are not in school, we are not bullies. I wonder how many people are keeping files of deleted posts, is that not a data protection issue ? This is extremely sinister and vile.

Trulywonderful · 09/01/2024 00:41

I am just upset the bit on the Jewish board where I mention about my surprise geratric pregnancy wasn't mentioned

I mean if people are going to spy then surely the good gossip like that should be talked about. Jewish mumsneters being concerned about Jew hate on mumsnet and wanting the mods to have more training isn't exactly a secret or a surprise to anyone. Is it?

Girahim · 09/01/2024 00:41

Livinginanotherworld · 09/01/2024 00:38

Thank you for the explanation. I didn’t know there was a Jewish equivalent of mumsnet, you learn something new everyday. It still doesn’t make it right that people are conspiring behind other peoples backs however, or copying posts to another forum. All sounds a bit sinister to me, we should be aware of people who are reporting others to give the right of reply, otherwise you could twist it to any old crap. If you can’t say something up front to the person you have a problem with, you should not say it at all. We are not in school, we are not bullies. I wonder how many people are keeping files of deleted posts, is that not a data protection issue ? This is extremely sinister and vile.

None if that is what's happening.

Hellenika · 09/01/2024 00:42

SomeCatFromJapan · 08/01/2024 23:47

Yes I have. I have linked reputable sources to the facts, including the applicable judgement text of President (Emeritus) Aharon Barak of The Supreme Court Sitting as the High Court of Justice of Israel. Where are your sources? You don’t have a single one because you have been incorrect from the start. I’m sorry that you may feel you have egg on your face, but that’s what happens when you pretend to knowledge you do not possess.

Your source is a single opinion from 2006, do you have anything more current pertaining to the present conflict?

The "egg on your face" comment is silly and childish, you're not in a little high school debating society, you're on a thread about terrorist atrocities where you for some reason feel the need to posture and show off.

It is the judgement of the President (Ret) of the Supreme Court of Israel.
A judgement by a Supreme Court of Israel is more than an ‘opinion.’
It hasn’t changed. This is the most recent.
The factual background, which I posted excerpts on, discusses international laws that also have not changed.
I have also posted the current definitions of combatants and POWs from the ICRC.

I am not posturing nor showing off.
I am informing you and others as to the legal facts.
I am sorry you have borne the brunt of that because you posted some truly incorrect, unsubstantiated statements far more confidently than you had the knowledge to assert. I think you should gracefully admit you were ill informed on this so we can move on.

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 00:42

I wonder how many people are keeping files of deleted posts, is that not a data protection issue

No. Of course not. They were posted on the open internet. Don't be daft.

25milesfromhome · 09/01/2024 00:43

Livinginanotherworld · 09/01/2024 00:38

Thank you for the explanation. I didn’t know there was a Jewish equivalent of mumsnet, you learn something new everyday. It still doesn’t make it right that people are conspiring behind other peoples backs however, or copying posts to another forum. All sounds a bit sinister to me, we should be aware of people who are reporting others to give the right of reply, otherwise you could twist it to any old crap. If you can’t say something up front to the person you have a problem with, you should not say it at all. We are not in school, we are not bullies. I wonder how many people are keeping files of deleted posts, is that not a data protection issue ? This is extremely sinister and vile.

Don’t worry about it, it’s just some dudes in a cave talking amongst themselves.

Livinginanotherworld · 09/01/2024 00:45

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 00:42

I wonder how many people are keeping files of deleted posts, is that not a data protection issue

No. Of course not. They were posted on the open internet. Don't be daft.

Except they have been transferred to another forum. That doesn’t sound right to me.

GaterGame · 09/01/2024 00:45

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Livinginanotherworld · 09/01/2024 00:46

25milesfromhome · 09/01/2024 00:43

Don’t worry about it, it’s just some dudes in a cave talking amongst themselves.

Yeah fucking yeah

GaterGame · 09/01/2024 00:46

Livinginanotherworld · 09/01/2024 00:45

Except they have been transferred to another forum. That doesn’t sound right to me.

No they haven't.

Hellenika · 09/01/2024 00:47

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 00:37

I cannot fathom looking at the rape, torture, murder, sadism, abduction and carnage that happened on 7th October and decide that it was important to say "wait, that bit that they did, that tiny bit, that was legal"

I mean, I like an argument as much as the next person (probably way more in fact), but even I would hesitate to argue the side of Hamas who did all that even if I thought I was right, because winning a technical argument isn't a good enough reason to go simping for terrorists.

It might make me look like I'd lost all sense of proportion and humanity.

I didn’t start the quibble on hostages vs POWs on this thread. I was similarly dismayed in seeing it when I arrived.

My aim was to finish it and quickly because I agree with you 100%, by posting the legal facts of the situation.

It is unfortunate that certain posters cannot move on to the war crime aspects of this which would be the obvious ill treatment of the POWs. The photos alone show they have been physically beaten and deprived of basic essentials and their rights to human dignity.

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 00:47

Livinginanotherworld · 09/01/2024 00:45

Except they have been transferred to another forum. That doesn’t sound right to me.

You type stuff on the open internet, what protection do you think you have?

God, the amount of stuff that gets copied onto here from twitter or instagram or whatever, you think people would have some idea how the internet works.

Trulywonderful · 09/01/2024 00:48

Livinginanotherworld · 09/01/2024 00:38

Thank you for the explanation. I didn’t know there was a Jewish equivalent of mumsnet, you learn something new everyday. It still doesn’t make it right that people are conspiring behind other peoples backs however, or copying posts to another forum. All sounds a bit sinister to me, we should be aware of people who are reporting others to give the right of reply, otherwise you could twist it to any old crap. If you can’t say something up front to the person you have a problem with, you should not say it at all. We are not in school, we are not bullies. I wonder how many people are keeping files of deleted posts, is that not a data protection issue ? This is extremely sinister and vile.

Afraid that is your imagination again Living

Nobody is copying posts to another thread

Some users have screenshot the worst examples of antisemitic posts on mumsnet before they were deleted or some that were never deleted. These screenshots have not been shared on any threads

The screenshots may be given to the CST so they can see the problem the moderation team are having. Hopefully they can then talk to mumsnet office about more training and help them in anyway they can.

Plus seriously if you think most of use believe you are not a lurker 😂

25milesfromhome · 09/01/2024 00:49

Livinginanotherworld · 09/01/2024 00:46

Yeah fucking yeah

Swearing doesn’t make you look cool you know.

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 00:50

Hellenika · 09/01/2024 00:47

I didn’t start the quibble on hostages vs POWs on this thread. I was similarly dismayed in seeing it when I arrived.

My aim was to finish it and quickly because I agree with you 100%, by posting the legal facts of the situation.

It is unfortunate that certain posters cannot move on to the war crime aspects of this which would be the obvious ill treatment of the POWs. The photos alone show they have been physically beaten and deprived of basic essentials and their rights to human dignity.

Do you understand that you do not have to have this argument and that indeed some would have said it better left alone to focus on the humanitarian aspect of the situation? You don't appear to have finished anything quickly, you're just making yourself look like an apologist for terrorists.

It's unfortunate that you cannot move on from this.

Trulywonderful · 09/01/2024 00:53

Livinginanotherworld · 09/01/2024 00:45

Except they have been transferred to another forum. That doesn’t sound right to me.

Who is transferring to another forum?

The CST is an organisation that provides protection to Jewish people and antisemitism training to organisations. It is a government funded organisation

Plus you do realise you are posting on social media and people don't have to even have a mumsnet account to post

In fact at any moment the Daily Mail or another newspaper could read one of you posts or several and use you as a national story

Girahim · 09/01/2024 00:54

Livinginanotherworld · 09/01/2024 00:45

Except they have been transferred to another forum. That doesn’t sound right to me.

Wait until you find out that tabloids like to use mumsnet threads as stories.

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 00:55

Wait till you find out that MNHQ post threads onto Facebook and twitter.

I doubt they'll be using this one though. Bloody hell.

Trulywonderful · 09/01/2024 00:57

Livinginanotherworld · 09/01/2024 00:46

Yeah fucking yeah

Are we going to do the 9/11 thing again Living

If we are doing the 9/11 thing again I might just go to bed instead

That was a weird road you took us down

etmoiandme · 09/01/2024 00:57

A little bird has just messaged me to say there are several posters from their “secret thread” ? ( not sure what that is )

😂 😂 Sure Jan.

Trulywonderful · 09/01/2024 00:58

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 00:55

Wait till you find out that MNHQ post threads onto Facebook and twitter.

I doubt they'll be using this one though. Bloody hell.

Do they?

I actually didn't know that

Maybe they will use my geriatric pregnancy information there then 😁