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Conflict in the Middle East

Documenting the horror that is Hamas part two

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stomachameleon · 07/01/2024 15:13

Part two of the thread
@25milesfromhome were where we?

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Trulywonderful · 08/01/2024 23:03

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Documenting the horror that is Hamas part two
Girahim · 08/01/2024 23:08

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You know, you didn't have to come on this thread. You didn't haven't to write even more post about how WeLl TeChNiCaLlY hamas aren't actually that bad. But you did.

Maybe start your own thread about how your favourite terrorist group gets a bad rep.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 08/01/2024 23:10

Humdingerydoo · 08/01/2024 22:25

I guess we go on the Nakba thread and start demanding proof for every single atrocity they've mentioned on there? And then only accept testimonies from the directly injured parties. So if someone witnessed rape, we can call them liars. And if someone says it happened to them we ask for proof of it. Seems reasonable, yes? I mean, obviously those directly affected will probably be dead by now as it was so long ago. So actually, I guess none of it happened?

Fucking hell, some people.

Well in the "Fifty Years War" Commentary 2 old Arab boys who actually lived in Deir Yassin said that the whole thing was exaggerated and they were told "we have to say this" .

ohforheavenssakedearcomeonnow · 08/01/2024 23:12

Can a number of posts be looked at by MN as reporting each post in the last few minutes would take all night?

Trulywonderful · 08/01/2024 23:15

Girahim · 08/01/2024 23:08

You know, you didn't have to come on this thread. You didn't haven't to write even more post about how WeLl TeChNiCaLlY hamas aren't actually that bad. But you did.

Maybe start your own thread about how your favourite terrorist group gets a bad rep.

Just report that post and any like it

Mumsnet is getting sicker by the day

Free speech is very different from hate speech or supporting a known terrorist group

That post crosses the line by most people's standards

Hellenika · 08/01/2024 23:19

SomeCatFromJapan · 08/01/2024 22:30

Anyone on duty in the armed forces is a combatant. They do not have to be “in active combat” to be considered combatants. They are not hostages. This is not an opinion. This is a legal status.

Again, Lee Rigby. He was currently serving in the armed forces when he was attacked.
Was he murdered, or a combatant killed in action?

That aside, it's nonsense anyway. They were in Israel, not Gaza. There was no active conflict going on until Hamas invaded. And that was a terrorist attack, not an engagement.

It seems you do not know what an armed conflict is. I don’t agree there wasn’t already one going on prior to Oct 7th, but let’s just say I accept your interpretation. Hamas and Israel were at peace, living in harmony and prosperity and then out of the blue, Hamas attacks.

You start an armed conflict in one of two ways- you declare war and then attack or you skip the declaration of war and do an act of war (attack).

Hamas attack of Oct 7th was an act of war, how they conducted this act of war included numerous war crimes.

The very act of invading Israel and attacking initiated an armed conflict, even if there had not been one already ongoing (which there was).

hogmanayhoolie · 08/01/2024 23:20

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You've certainly touched a nerve and rightly so

Why would someone come onto a thread about terrorist murder and atrocities and post laughing emojis

Just why?

Hellenika · 08/01/2024 23:27

Girahim · 08/01/2024 23:08

You know, you didn't have to come on this thread. You didn't haven't to write even more post about how WeLl TeChNiCaLlY hamas aren't actually that bad. But you did.

Maybe start your own thread about how your favourite terrorist group gets a bad rep.

How can you react to my comment about how POWs are often sexually assaulted and I have no doubt it’s happening as saying Hamas “aren’t that bad”?!! Rape denial is bad, but you minimising rape is just as bad to my mind.

I have been posting the facts regarding international law regards to captured IDF soldiers. I have also linked the current Israeli judiciary’s interpretation of these international laws as they are applicable to the fight against terrorist groups in Israel.

noblegiraffe · 08/01/2024 23:28

Some people might need to ask themselves why they are taking the side of terrorists and defending their right to take teen girls, given the atrocities they committed against other women and girls on October 7th.

Trulywonderful · 08/01/2024 23:28

Hellenika · 08/01/2024 22:42

We had/still have terror cells embedded within us.

Apparently yes

😏

quantumbutterfly · 08/01/2024 23:30

StarbucksSmarterSister · 08/01/2024 23:10

Well in the "Fifty Years War" Commentary 2 old Arab boys who actually lived in Deir Yassin said that the whole thing was exaggerated and they were told "we have to say this" .

It was a really interesting documentary series.

ThickPinkSocks · 08/01/2024 23:30

noblegiraffe · 08/01/2024 23:28

Some people might need to ask themselves why they are taking the side of terrorists and defending their right to take teen girls, given the atrocities they committed against other women and girls on October 7th.

Some people also need to ask themselves why they are not also documenting the horror that is the IDF?

SomeCatFromJapan · 08/01/2024 23:31

I have been posting the facts regarding international law regards to captured IDF soldiers

You have not. You have posted your interpretation and claimed it as a "fact", one again obsessively nitpicking a single detail in an attempt to minimise Hamas atrocities.

Trulywonderful · 08/01/2024 23:31

Well done MNHQ. You've surpassed yourself for diabolical moderating.
Allowing rape deniers to post what they want. You've given them a free pass and they've pushed and pushed the boundaries. 👏
Of course, this is the post that will get deleted. Top marks 👌

This

SomeCatFromJapan · 08/01/2024 23:31

Some people also need to ask themselves why they are not also documenting the horror that is the IDF?

There's literally a thread for that.

Hellenika · 08/01/2024 23:32

Trulywonderful · 08/01/2024 23:15

Just report that post and any like it

Mumsnet is getting sicker by the day

Free speech is very different from hate speech or supporting a known terrorist group

That post crosses the line by most people's standards

What is there to report about my post? The discussion of POW vs hostage is a discussion on a legal status in law. It’s not a matter of opinion, offensive or otherwise:
In international armed conflicts (IAC), combatants are members of the armed forces of a party. The main feature of their status is that they have the right to directly participate in hostilities. Consequently, if they fall into enemy hands, they become prisoners of war who may not be punished for having directly participated in hostilities. In return, they may remain in captivity until the end of active hostilities

Per Aharon Barak, Retired Justice of Israeli Supreme Court
Our starting point is that the law that applies to the armed conflict between Israel and the terrorist organizations in the area is the international law dealing with armed conflicts. […] According to that view, the fact that the terrorist organizations and their members do not act in the name of a state does not turn the struggle against them into a purely internal state conflict […]

https://casebook.icrc.org/case-study/israel-targeted-killings-case

Trulywonderful · 08/01/2024 23:33

ThickPinkSocks · 08/01/2024 23:30

Some people also need to ask themselves why they are not also documenting the horror that is the IDF?

Because there are already multiple threads doing that

Are you not able to look at the threads list on the conflict board or something?

Maybe get mumsnet to fix that for you, probably a tech problem

Trulywonderful · 08/01/2024 23:33

Hellenika · 08/01/2024 23:32

What is there to report about my post? The discussion of POW vs hostage is a discussion on a legal status in law. It’s not a matter of opinion, offensive or otherwise:
In international armed conflicts (IAC), combatants are members of the armed forces of a party. The main feature of their status is that they have the right to directly participate in hostilities. Consequently, if they fall into enemy hands, they become prisoners of war who may not be punished for having directly participated in hostilities. In return, they may remain in captivity until the end of active hostilities

Per Aharon Barak, Retired Justice of Israeli Supreme Court
Our starting point is that the law that applies to the armed conflict between Israel and the terrorist organizations in the area is the international law dealing with armed conflicts. […] According to that view, the fact that the terrorist organizations and their members do not act in the name of a state does not turn the struggle against them into a purely internal state conflict […]

https://casebook.icrc.org/case-study/israel-targeted-killings-case

Try again

SomeCatFromJapan · 08/01/2024 23:35

Having said all this, @Hellenika, it's actually quite useful for you to say the Hamas attack was an act of war.

I've seen many posts decrying the IDF operation in Gaza as purely an attack on a civilian population and that Gaza has no army.

So there's at least the acknowledgement that Gaza do in fact have an army and started the current conflict.

You've justified the current IDF operation.

Trulywonderful · 08/01/2024 23:36

Some people might need to ask themselves why they are taking the side of terrorists and defending their right to take teen girls, given the atrocities they committed against other women and girls on October 7th.

They should but I doubt they will

noblegiraffe · 08/01/2024 23:36

People talking about fucking prisoners of war when Hamas are terrorists who raped, tortured and murdered, who don't wear uniforms, who hide their bases among civilian infrastructure.

Like they give a shit about legal concepts.

Give your heads a wobble and think about what you're saying.

Trulywonderful · 08/01/2024 23:39

SomeCatFromJapan · 08/01/2024 23:35

Having said all this, @Hellenika, it's actually quite useful for you to say the Hamas attack was an act of war.

I've seen many posts decrying the IDF operation in Gaza as purely an attack on a civilian population and that Gaza has no army.

So there's at least the acknowledgement that Gaza do in fact have an army and started the current conflict.

You've justified the current IDF operation.

Whilst showing their true colours to everyone reading this thread

A good result all around from a looking at terrorism denial and apologists point of view but mumsnet still need to take action anyway

Hellenika · 08/01/2024 23:41

SomeCatFromJapan · 08/01/2024 23:31

I have been posting the facts regarding international law regards to captured IDF soldiers

You have not. You have posted your interpretation and claimed it as a "fact", one again obsessively nitpicking a single detail in an attempt to minimise Hamas atrocities.

Yes I have. I have linked reputable sources to the facts, including the applicable judgement text of President (Emeritus) Aharon Barak of The Supreme Court Sitting as the High Court of Justice of Israel. Where are your sources? You don’t have a single one because you have been incorrect from the start. I’m sorry that you may feel you have egg on your face, but that’s what happens when you pretend to knowledge you do not possess.

Dyrestraights · 08/01/2024 23:41

ThickPinkSocks · 08/01/2024 23:30

Some people also need to ask themselves why they are not also documenting the horror that is the IDF?

Did you type that with a straight face? How many threads are already up on that? Just admit it, you're a nasty piece of work who thinks rape is funny.

ohforheavenssakedearcomeonnow · 08/01/2024 23:42

SomeCatFromJapan · 08/01/2024 23:35

Having said all this, @Hellenika, it's actually quite useful for you to say the Hamas attack was an act of war.

I've seen many posts decrying the IDF operation in Gaza as purely an attack on a civilian population and that Gaza has no army.

So there's at least the acknowledgement that Gaza do in fact have an army and started the current conflict.

You've justified the current IDF operation.

Well said @SomeCatFromJapan .

It is literally the foundation for many of the stances on the conflict threads.

And has now crumbed into dust.