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Conflict in the Middle East

Teaching Hatred

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UnSognoAVenezia · 27/12/2023 23:55

INTERNATIONAL LAW
The use and recruitment of children under the age of 15 as soldiers is not only illegal under international law, but is also defined as a war crime by the International Criminal Court.

This law applies both to state armed forces and non-state armed forces; in other words, Palestinian groups cannot claim innocence for using children in combat under the guise that their paramilitary groups are not acting on behalf of a sovereign nation.

In 2005, Amnesty International stated: “Palestinian armed groups have repeatedly shown total disregard for the most fundamental human rights, notably the right to life, by deliberately targeting Israeli civilians and by using Palestinian children in armed attacks.”

The psychological effects for child soldiers are devastating. Research conducted among Palestinian and Ugandan child soldiers found that 50 percent of former child soldiers experience post-traumatic stress disorder. Others suffer from major depressive disorder, hostility, sadness, low self-confidence, and an inability to cope with daily life.

HISTORY
The recruitment of minors for combat by Palestinian militants dates back to the final years of the Ottoman occupation of Palestine (1517-1917). Youths were at the forefront of the opposition against Jewish immigration, and an attitude developed that children had a “duty to sacrifice themselves.”

During the infamous 1929 Hebron Massacre, when 69 Jews were murdered and the most ancient continuous Jewish community in Palestine was decimated, Arab youths instigated the violence.

As relations between Nazi Germany and the Arab world developed, the powerful Husseini family founded the Palestinian Arab Party, modeled after the Nazi Party in Germany. Inspired by the Hitler Youth, the party created a Nazi-like scout group named “Al-Futuwwa.” That same year, the A-Futuwwa youth corps began Nazi-inspired military training. Al-Futuwwa adopted the following motto: “Liberty is my right; independence is my goal; Arabism is my principle; Palestine is my country and mine only. This I attest and God is a witness to my words.”

With the establishment of the Palestine Liberation Organization in 1964, the PLO created military training programs for boys and girls.

During the First Intifada (1987-1993), a culture of Palestinian youth stone-throwing emerged, quickly linking stone-throwing to martyrdom. During the Second Intifada (2000-2005), at least nine children carried out suicide bombings against Israelis.

TRAINING CAMPS
As stated above, the first militarized training camps for Palestinian children were established in the 1930s, inspired by the Hitler Youth. The group was known as Al-Futuwwa.

This practice resurged with the establishment of the PLO in 1964. Palestinian children were subjected to military training with the aim of “strengthening Palestinian national self-awareness” and upholding a “revolutionary culture.”

In 2000, 25,000 Palestinian boys were taught “kidnapping, ambushing, and using assault weapons” at a training camp run by former Palestinian Authority president Yasser Arafat’s staff.

In September 2012, Hamas, the Islamist, antisemitic, extremist terrorist organization that runs the Gaza Strip, instituted a new military training program for school boys in Gaza, also named Al-Futuwwa. The program implemented the following: (1) a two-week military training camp, (2) weekly “military” classes, and (3) “practical activities.” The curriculum targeted some 37,000 boys, who were taught to use Kalashnikov assault rifles, hand grenades, and other explosive devises.

SUICIDE BOMBINGS
During the Second Intifada (2000-2005), Palestinian groups recruited children as militants in a number of ways; most notably and devastatingly, at least nine suicide bombings were carried out by Palestinian children.

In 2004, the Israeli military intercepted an 11-year-old Palestinian boy carrying explosive devices on his person through a checkpoint in Nablus.

In 2000, the then Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Ekrima Sa'id Sabri made a statement in support of suicide attacks carried out by children: “The younger the martyr, the more I respect him.”

In 2003, the United Nations Secretary General stated: “We have witnessed both ends of these acts: children have been used as suicide bombers and children have been killed by suicide bombings. I call on the Palestinian authorities to do everything within their powers to stop all participation by children in this conflict.”

On December 25, 2023, the Israeli Defense Forces found child-sized suicide bomber vests in a building used to shelter civilians in the Gaza Strip.

During the Second Intifada (2000-2005), a photo of a "baby suicide bomber" sparked international outrage. The boy's uncle verified the authenticity of the photo, though the IDF believed there were no actual explosives in the belt.

INDOCTRINATION
Hamas runs both Shehab News and the Al-Aqsa Media Network. Al-Aqsa Media is known for its virulently antisemitic content; for example, the children’s program Tomorrow’s Pioneers, which ran from 2007 to 2009, quite literally encouraged Palestinian children to murder Jews. Children’s characters made statements such as: “We will annihilate the Jews,” and “[I] will finish off the Jews and eat them.”

Palestinian schoolbooks frequently espouse overt antisemitism, as well as demonization Jews, Israelis, and Israel. Hamas has repeatedly interfered with the curriculums of United Nations Relief and Works Agency schools, including the decision to suspend any education on the Holocaust in 2009. UNRWA teachers have also been caught posting explicitly antisemitic content online, such as content praising Hitler.

From 2002 to at least 2006, the Hamas-run biweekly online magazine for children, Al-Fatah (“The Conqueror”), praised suicide bombers and attacks on the “Jewish enemy.”

At least 20 UNRWA schoolteachers and staff praised the October 7 Hamas massacre of Israeli civilians, the deadliest antisemitic massacre since the Holocaust.

Here is a quote from Hamas MP Fathi Hamad:
"[The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: 'We desire death like you desire life.'"

IMPLICATIONS
First, a caveat: Israel too has been accused of “glorifying” military culture, with children being taught to look forward to their military draft. That said, the two situations are not remotely similar. First, Israel does not recruit minors for military operations. Israel does not fire from civilian-populated areas, and certainly not from areas populated by children. Independent studies have found that, while both Israeli and Palestinian school textbooks generally don’t offer a very sympathetic view of the other side, Palestinian textbooks overwhelmingly glorify martyrdom, whereas Israeli textbooks emphasize peace.

The militarization and radicalization of Palestinian children is a form of child abuse, and it has grave implications.

A clinical psychologist at Tel Aviv University, Shafiq Masalha, found that during the Second Intifada (2000-2005), 15 percent of Palestinian children dreamt of becoming suicide bombers. According to the director of the Gaza Community Mental Health Program, Eyad Sarraj, 36 percent of Palestinian children over the age of 12 aspire to die “a martyr’s death.”

A 2012 study on Israeli, Palestinian, and Arab Israeli children found that exposure to the conflict and violence increased aggressive behavior. It stated: "Palestinian children were at the greatest risk for exposure to violence across settings as well as at the highest level of aggressive behavior in comparison to the two other groups. Males were uniformly at greater risk than were females for all forms of exposure to violence as well as more aggressive."

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queenofarles · 28/12/2023 15:19

FYI, this is in the West Bank in an illegal settlement ,
, the photographer was shot and imprisoned various times by the Isreali government, in 2019 , 2020.

Pizdietz · 28/12/2023 15:27

queenofarles · 28/12/2023 15:14

I'd love to know what the father is shouting here, does anyone understand it?
the father is saying you are used to shooting children , go ahead shoot this one too, you are used to doing it , do you want me to bring the rest? You are all used to shooting them, hold the flag high .

That's worth knowing, thanks queenofarles. I did wonder whether to trust the YouTube translation.

daretodenim · 28/12/2023 15:28

I used to think that too, but I was dismayed that there were no "anti-7 October" demos anywhere... or did I blink and miss them?

I don't know. Did you organise one? By the time most people had gotten over the shock and blinked, Palestinian children were already being crushed to death in their sleep. You do realised that EVERYBODY was shocked, right? I mean, everybody? Even the IDF was pretty shocked by it - they also didn't leap into action immediately.

stomachamaleon · 28/12/2023 15:30

I Don't remember those people driving round London with Hamas flags directly afterwards being shocked? You know those that people commented on social media about including Rachel Riley.

Thereissomelight · 28/12/2023 15:30

@queenofarles
Thanks for that corrected translation.

daretodenim · 28/12/2023 15:36

ItsRainingTacos79 · 28/12/2023 12:15

@sunshinesupermum Israel would certainly not have been this heavy handed if Hamas were operating from Israel. The rhetoric coming from Hamas is no different to the rhetoric coming out of Israel.

Actually it is different. Have you actually read what's coming out of both?

One wants the other to be tried under international law for war crimes.

The other wants the total destruction of Gaza - its infrastructure and its people.

Do I like Hamas? No. But when this thread has people talking about "facts", it makes me wonder where their "facts" about what Hamas wants come from.

Have you read their charter? It's freely available and in English. Updated in 2017. It's clearly written and easy to read. No reason why those talking about "facts" wouldn't have read it, given they like "facts". No need for anybody to read it if they don't want, but it's insane for people to say they know what someone wants when they haven't even read their charter or, I'm guessing, any of their press releases, or translations of their press conferences. Admittedly I don't have time for the long press conferences, so I'm not an expert. Perhaps everybody here who claims to be experts on the group do though.

I mean, did you realise Hamas does NOT want to govern Palestine when it's free?!

queenofarles · 28/12/2023 15:38

Jus because the DM didn’t report it , it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen ,

There was a vigil in November for both Isreali s and Palestinians Victims , there were also speeches by both the Jewish and Muslim Relgious leaders, calling for peace , anti semitism and ant Muslim hate, so many people were there.

I think there was another one too a week later . As I heard it will take place every week.

stomachamaleon · 28/12/2023 15:46

@daretodenim why don't they agree to leave now then as asked by the Egyptians.

www.instagram.com/reel/CzHbCwvxQjT/?igsh=MjJkczA1ZHQ3ejh4

That interview the Hamas spokesman gave was pretty 'factual' about intent. Nothing to get wrong there.

stomachamaleon · 28/12/2023 15:48

@queenofarles I remember one. A week after the Jewish March I think. A joint vigil.

Pennina · 28/12/2023 17:56

gingergran · 28/12/2023 12:07

My view of the conflict is coloured by my personal experience. My friend who lived on kibbutz be’eri sadly died about eight months ago and although it may sound strange I am glad she was not alive on October 7th.

Her husband was murdered. Her sister who looked after her grandchildren because their mother is severely disabled was murdered. Her 12 year old grandson was murdered. Their house was set alight and it was only after providing DNA that they were able to confirm that her 12 year old granddaughter was also murdered. They buried her toys because they could not bury her.

They were people who were on the left wing of Israeli politics. Who firmly believed that there could be peace with the Palestinians. They talked of a peaceful and secure border. They employed numerous Palestinians on their kibbutz. And these same Palestinians were the ones who provided information to Hamas so that they knew who lived in which house, who would be not be there at the weekends, where the school and kindergarten were, where the children would be.

There is nothing that can ever justify such cold blooded murder and betrayal

I deliberately haven’t posted until now about this but the vitriol and ignorance on the other threads fills me with despair

BDE. I'm so so sorry, poor people. We can never forgive this.

Kendodd · 28/12/2023 18:12

queenofarles · 28/12/2023 15:38

Jus because the DM didn’t report it , it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen ,

There was a vigil in November for both Isreali s and Palestinians Victims , there were also speeches by both the Jewish and Muslim Relgious leaders, calling for peace , anti semitism and ant Muslim hate, so many people were there.

I think there was another one too a week later . As I heard it will take place every week.

Do you have a link for that? I'd quite like to go.

UnSognoAVenezia · 28/12/2023 18:45

gingergran · 28/12/2023 12:07

My view of the conflict is coloured by my personal experience. My friend who lived on kibbutz be’eri sadly died about eight months ago and although it may sound strange I am glad she was not alive on October 7th.

Her husband was murdered. Her sister who looked after her grandchildren because their mother is severely disabled was murdered. Her 12 year old grandson was murdered. Their house was set alight and it was only after providing DNA that they were able to confirm that her 12 year old granddaughter was also murdered. They buried her toys because they could not bury her.

They were people who were on the left wing of Israeli politics. Who firmly believed that there could be peace with the Palestinians. They talked of a peaceful and secure border. They employed numerous Palestinians on their kibbutz. And these same Palestinians were the ones who provided information to Hamas so that they knew who lived in which house, who would be not be there at the weekends, where the school and kindergarten were, where the children would be.

There is nothing that can ever justify such cold blooded murder and betrayal

I deliberately haven’t posted until now about this but the vitriol and ignorance on the other threads fills me with despair

I am so sorry for for your loss. May their memories be a blessing.

Thank you for sharing this information. It is very hard to read - my heart hurts from the details it reveals.

To the other PPs who’s seem very hostile to my original OP, I’m not quite sure why. This is a post about child abuse, first and foremost. If you care about Palestinian children as you claim - and a future of dignity and hope taken from them - then the buck stops with Hamas for this reason: this is the first “inverted war” I have ever come across. That is, one side’s strategic objective is based on the idea that it wants its own people to die more than the people they are fighting (for the moment at least). Hamas have stated this themselves in media interviews. I’ve asked my father and brother about this, both are historians, and neither can conceive of a historical comparison either. I mean, if you think about it, it’s bonkers. And common sense also tells us, Hamas can’t have any military objective in this conflict, it’s purely a public relations war they’re fighting.

All civilian deaths are a tragedy - Palestinian, Israeli, Tanzanian, Nepalese, German, British, French, Mexican - lots of countries have lost their people in this latest episode. It’s not right and it’s not fair. As the saying goes, “When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers”.

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stomachamaleon · 28/12/2023 19:04

@UnSognoAVenezia you don't need to justify it. I though it was clear and well supported by evidence. I completely agree with you.

queenofarles · 28/12/2023 19:23

Kendodd
Follow together for humanity on X for future dates.

stomachameleon · 01/01/2024 19:57

Good news from the UEA.
Showing how things can change.

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quantumbutterfly · 02/01/2024 08:19

stomachameleon · 01/01/2024 19:57

Good news from the UEA.
Showing how things can change.

That is hopeful.

quantumbutterfly · 02/01/2024 08:20

@UnSognoAVenezia thank you.

RedJumper13 · 02/01/2024 08:42

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stomachameleon · 02/01/2024 09:51

@RedJumper13 the 'there is a gap between Israel and young Jews' is sort of reduced by the fact she is a American and as far as I can tell never been to Israel. 'We wait for Jesus too' and Palestinian Twitter page.
It's all about the bias.
Hmmmmmmm

quantumbutterfly · 02/01/2024 09:55

@gingergran Words are inadequate. I see the phrase 'may their memory be a blessing' on here and that is all I can offer.
We know that if we let terrorists sew hate in our hearts that they win and we are older, wiser and more jaded than that.

stomachameleon · 02/01/2024 11:57

Words fail me

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plusjamais · 02/01/2024 12:17

This ridiculous woman very recently won an award for contributions to race equality and combatting discrimination, and is now accusing the Auschwitz Museum of being "an embarrassment to humanity".

https://twitter.com/SholaMos1/status/1741827978152075413

They might have lost 7,000 followers, but she's gained them 53,000 since yesterday. Swings and roundabouts.

https://twitter.com/SholaMos1/status/1741827978152075413

Toothyfruity · 02/01/2024 12:48

I assume they lost followers as a result of the statement attached. I've followed them for years.

I'm not 100% sure if they were just reposting or if this was their own statement.

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quantumbutterfly · 02/01/2024 12:58

I see nothing to disagree with in their statement.