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Conflict in the Middle East

Teaching Hatred

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UnSognoAVenezia · 27/12/2023 23:55

INTERNATIONAL LAW
The use and recruitment of children under the age of 15 as soldiers is not only illegal under international law, but is also defined as a war crime by the International Criminal Court.

This law applies both to state armed forces and non-state armed forces; in other words, Palestinian groups cannot claim innocence for using children in combat under the guise that their paramilitary groups are not acting on behalf of a sovereign nation.

In 2005, Amnesty International stated: “Palestinian armed groups have repeatedly shown total disregard for the most fundamental human rights, notably the right to life, by deliberately targeting Israeli civilians and by using Palestinian children in armed attacks.”

The psychological effects for child soldiers are devastating. Research conducted among Palestinian and Ugandan child soldiers found that 50 percent of former child soldiers experience post-traumatic stress disorder. Others suffer from major depressive disorder, hostility, sadness, low self-confidence, and an inability to cope with daily life.

HISTORY
The recruitment of minors for combat by Palestinian militants dates back to the final years of the Ottoman occupation of Palestine (1517-1917). Youths were at the forefront of the opposition against Jewish immigration, and an attitude developed that children had a “duty to sacrifice themselves.”

During the infamous 1929 Hebron Massacre, when 69 Jews were murdered and the most ancient continuous Jewish community in Palestine was decimated, Arab youths instigated the violence.

As relations between Nazi Germany and the Arab world developed, the powerful Husseini family founded the Palestinian Arab Party, modeled after the Nazi Party in Germany. Inspired by the Hitler Youth, the party created a Nazi-like scout group named “Al-Futuwwa.” That same year, the A-Futuwwa youth corps began Nazi-inspired military training. Al-Futuwwa adopted the following motto: “Liberty is my right; independence is my goal; Arabism is my principle; Palestine is my country and mine only. This I attest and God is a witness to my words.”

With the establishment of the Palestine Liberation Organization in 1964, the PLO created military training programs for boys and girls.

During the First Intifada (1987-1993), a culture of Palestinian youth stone-throwing emerged, quickly linking stone-throwing to martyrdom. During the Second Intifada (2000-2005), at least nine children carried out suicide bombings against Israelis.

TRAINING CAMPS
As stated above, the first militarized training camps for Palestinian children were established in the 1930s, inspired by the Hitler Youth. The group was known as Al-Futuwwa.

This practice resurged with the establishment of the PLO in 1964. Palestinian children were subjected to military training with the aim of “strengthening Palestinian national self-awareness” and upholding a “revolutionary culture.”

In 2000, 25,000 Palestinian boys were taught “kidnapping, ambushing, and using assault weapons” at a training camp run by former Palestinian Authority president Yasser Arafat’s staff.

In September 2012, Hamas, the Islamist, antisemitic, extremist terrorist organization that runs the Gaza Strip, instituted a new military training program for school boys in Gaza, also named Al-Futuwwa. The program implemented the following: (1) a two-week military training camp, (2) weekly “military” classes, and (3) “practical activities.” The curriculum targeted some 37,000 boys, who were taught to use Kalashnikov assault rifles, hand grenades, and other explosive devises.

SUICIDE BOMBINGS
During the Second Intifada (2000-2005), Palestinian groups recruited children as militants in a number of ways; most notably and devastatingly, at least nine suicide bombings were carried out by Palestinian children.

In 2004, the Israeli military intercepted an 11-year-old Palestinian boy carrying explosive devices on his person through a checkpoint in Nablus.

In 2000, the then Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Ekrima Sa'id Sabri made a statement in support of suicide attacks carried out by children: “The younger the martyr, the more I respect him.”

In 2003, the United Nations Secretary General stated: “We have witnessed both ends of these acts: children have been used as suicide bombers and children have been killed by suicide bombings. I call on the Palestinian authorities to do everything within their powers to stop all participation by children in this conflict.”

On December 25, 2023, the Israeli Defense Forces found child-sized suicide bomber vests in a building used to shelter civilians in the Gaza Strip.

During the Second Intifada (2000-2005), a photo of a "baby suicide bomber" sparked international outrage. The boy's uncle verified the authenticity of the photo, though the IDF believed there were no actual explosives in the belt.

INDOCTRINATION
Hamas runs both Shehab News and the Al-Aqsa Media Network. Al-Aqsa Media is known for its virulently antisemitic content; for example, the children’s program Tomorrow’s Pioneers, which ran from 2007 to 2009, quite literally encouraged Palestinian children to murder Jews. Children’s characters made statements such as: “We will annihilate the Jews,” and “[I] will finish off the Jews and eat them.”

Palestinian schoolbooks frequently espouse overt antisemitism, as well as demonization Jews, Israelis, and Israel. Hamas has repeatedly interfered with the curriculums of United Nations Relief and Works Agency schools, including the decision to suspend any education on the Holocaust in 2009. UNRWA teachers have also been caught posting explicitly antisemitic content online, such as content praising Hitler.

From 2002 to at least 2006, the Hamas-run biweekly online magazine for children, Al-Fatah (“The Conqueror”), praised suicide bombers and attacks on the “Jewish enemy.”

At least 20 UNRWA schoolteachers and staff praised the October 7 Hamas massacre of Israeli civilians, the deadliest antisemitic massacre since the Holocaust.

Here is a quote from Hamas MP Fathi Hamad:
"[The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: 'We desire death like you desire life.'"

IMPLICATIONS
First, a caveat: Israel too has been accused of “glorifying” military culture, with children being taught to look forward to their military draft. That said, the two situations are not remotely similar. First, Israel does not recruit minors for military operations. Israel does not fire from civilian-populated areas, and certainly not from areas populated by children. Independent studies have found that, while both Israeli and Palestinian school textbooks generally don’t offer a very sympathetic view of the other side, Palestinian textbooks overwhelmingly glorify martyrdom, whereas Israeli textbooks emphasize peace.

The militarization and radicalization of Palestinian children is a form of child abuse, and it has grave implications.

A clinical psychologist at Tel Aviv University, Shafiq Masalha, found that during the Second Intifada (2000-2005), 15 percent of Palestinian children dreamt of becoming suicide bombers. According to the director of the Gaza Community Mental Health Program, Eyad Sarraj, 36 percent of Palestinian children over the age of 12 aspire to die “a martyr’s death.”

A 2012 study on Israeli, Palestinian, and Arab Israeli children found that exposure to the conflict and violence increased aggressive behavior. It stated: "Palestinian children were at the greatest risk for exposure to violence across settings as well as at the highest level of aggressive behavior in comparison to the two other groups. Males were uniformly at greater risk than were females for all forms of exposure to violence as well as more aggressive."

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BigandBeefy · 28/12/2023 12:31

Do you need to be taught to hate your oppressors? Does anybody like being illegally occupied?

Let us occupy you and oppress you and be grateful for it Confused

Thereissomelight · 28/12/2023 12:32

Lots of evidence of hatred being taught in Israeli schools too.

Also Israel is about to jail an 18 year old for refusing to join the IDF. 18 is not 10 I agree but still.

And while I think it’s abusive to send a child into battle, let’s not pretend we don’t all know which is the side killing vast numbers of children in this conflict.

Finally, this thread has a very strong and unpleasant whiff of “it’s ok to kill Gazan children because they’re all training to be soldiers”

It’s not shocking to see Israeli children celebrate the Gaza genocide

Israel has long been indoctrinating its children to believe Palestinians are less than human.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/12/13/its-not-shocking-to-see-israeli-children-celebrate-the-gaza-genocide

BeggyMitchell · 28/12/2023 12:34

BigandBeefy · 28/12/2023 12:31

Do you need to be taught to hate your oppressors? Does anybody like being illegally occupied?

Let us occupy you and oppress you and be grateful for it Confused

Who's us and you?

Define it.

Pizdietz · 28/12/2023 12:37

Finally, this thread has a very strong and unpleasant whiff of “it’s ok to kill Gazan children because they’re all training to be soldiers”

What a very strange thing to take from this thread!

BigandBeefy · 28/12/2023 12:37

BeggyMitchell · 28/12/2023 12:34

Who's us and you?

Define it.

Us are the occupiers and opressors you are the occupied and oppressed. HTH

gingergran · 28/12/2023 12:41

@BigandBeefy did you protest when thousands of Palestinians were killed in Syria?
or in Lebanon?
or in Jordan?

I’ll bet the answer is no because you are not pro-Palestinian rather you are simply anti-Israel

Santalazy · 28/12/2023 12:43

Thereissomelight · 28/12/2023 12:32

Lots of evidence of hatred being taught in Israeli schools too.

Also Israel is about to jail an 18 year old for refusing to join the IDF. 18 is not 10 I agree but still.

And while I think it’s abusive to send a child into battle, let’s not pretend we don’t all know which is the side killing vast numbers of children in this conflict.

Finally, this thread has a very strong and unpleasant whiff of “it’s ok to kill Gazan children because they’re all training to be soldiers”

In a country with compulsory military service you have to punish people who refuse to serve surely? Israel is a highly militarised society for obvious reasons.

In Israel there is a huge range of views on the Palestinians - from racist hatred to love and compassion (indeed many of those murdered on 7th Oct were pro-Palestinian volunteers). You could ask why Israelis would feel any positivity towards the Palestinians when they’ve had so many decades of rockets and suicide bombings, but imo they can because the culture there permits a humanistic world view.

Does that same range of views exist in Gaza? Are there people pushing for understanding and peace? Or would that be culturally difficult?

BeggyMitchell · 28/12/2023 12:44

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ItsRainingTacos79 · 28/12/2023 12:45

Wanting rights for Palestinians is not Anti Israel.

Santalazy · 28/12/2023 12:47

BigandBeefy · 28/12/2023 12:37

Us are the occupiers and opressors you are the occupied and oppressed. HTH

Occupation is fairly clear but how do you decide who is oppressed and by whom? And if I am oppressed, does that mean I no longer have any moral responsibility? If I as a brown woman experience decades of racist abuse, does that give me the right to kill the abuser’s child? Or would it make my actions wrong but forgivable?

Pizdietz · 28/12/2023 13:03

ItsRainingTacos79 · 28/12/2023 12:45

Wanting rights for Palestinians is not Anti Israel.

I used to think that too, but I was dismayed that there were no "anti-7 October" demos anywhere... or did I blink and miss them?

Mushroomsouptonight · 28/12/2023 13:03

ItsRainingTacos79 · 28/12/2023 12:45

Wanting rights for Palestinians is not Anti Israel.

I love Palestinian's to have rights. Hamas control pretty much everything and deny them their rights.

A peaceful solution for both sides, no terrorist groups running the country, is best for Palestinian rights

ItsRainingTacos79 · 28/12/2023 13:10

The Israelis killed in the Oct 7th attack had rights. It is not their lack of rights that killed them. They were killed by terrorists. If you want to march for the rights of Israelis then you're free to do so. As are those advocating for the rights of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank (who actually have no rights or protection).

stomachamaleon · 28/12/2023 13:11

@Thereissomelight that's not a new thing. There is a group in Israel and people do ten weeks in jail on a regular basis. They are conscientious objectors.

@BigandBeefy

www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190114-assad-regime-tortured-electrocuted-and-raped-palestinian-detainees/

Not a thing.....

stomachamaleon · 28/12/2023 13:12

@ItsRainingTacos79 some of whom it's documented joined in.

Thereissomelight · 28/12/2023 13:29

Santalazy · 28/12/2023 12:47

Occupation is fairly clear but how do you decide who is oppressed and by whom? And if I am oppressed, does that mean I no longer have any moral responsibility? If I as a brown woman experience decades of racist abuse, does that give me the right to kill the abuser’s child? Or would it make my actions wrong but forgivable?

How would you answer your own question?

Do YOU think it’s forgivable to kill children (in their thousands) because some of their people have attacked some of your people?

Pizdietz · 28/12/2023 13:39

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PurpleChrayne · 28/12/2023 13:42

this sort of behaviour might be a sort of high-octane version of entering your child into beauty pageants or stage school.

I'm speechless.

Genuinely.

No words.

Kendodd · 28/12/2023 14:14

gingergran · 28/12/2023 12:41

@BigandBeefy did you protest when thousands of Palestinians were killed in Syria?
or in Lebanon?
or in Jordan?

I’ll bet the answer is no because you are not pro-Palestinian rather you are simply anti-Israel

Oh, come on!
The protests in London are against our own governments whole hearted support of the Palestinian bombing campaign. If our government had been 100% behind the Russian bombing of Ukraine you can absolutely bet people would be out on the streets.

Toothyfruity · 28/12/2023 14:18

People pretending not to understand that Israel has always denied Palestinians basic human rights is really tiresome.

gingergran · 28/12/2023 14:19

@Kendodd nonsense

LolaSmiles · 28/12/2023 14:23

Children should not be used as soldiers, nor should they be groomed to become soldiers the second they reach adulthood. Nobody should be grooming children for war or indoctrinating them to hate others.

anotherlevel · 28/12/2023 14:25

Toothyfruity · 28/12/2023 14:18

People pretending not to understand that Israel has always denied Palestinians basic human rights is really tiresome.

It's not just that they don't understand but they choose to ignore and deny it completely. But I agree it's so exhausting. There are posters on here that come on and say there's always one etc but they're also the same ones that try to derail other threads.

Santalazy · 28/12/2023 14:30

Thereissomelight · 28/12/2023 13:29

How would you answer your own question?

Do YOU think it’s forgivable to kill children (in their thousands) because some of their people have attacked some of your people?

Deliberately targeting children is always unacceptable, unless in very specific circumstances (eg the child is about to detonate a suicide vest). But not everyone agrees with that. Some people think that if you are provoked enough, deliberately killing civilians is understandable.

queenofarles · 28/12/2023 15:14

I'd love to know what the father is shouting here, does anyone understand it?
the father is saying you are used to shooting children , go ahead shoot this one too, you are used to doing it , do you want me to bring the rest? You are all used to shooting them, hold the flag high .