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Conflict in the Middle East

Has anyone changed their mind from what they have read on here?

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mollyfolk · 15/12/2023 23:33

we’ve argued a lot. We’ve backed up our arguments with lots of proof. Has anyone changed their mind or viewpoint - I’m just interested?

it would be lovely if we didn’t argue here and just let everyone state their views.

I’ve spent most of my life in Ireland, where you’d be hard pressed, in the present day, to meet someone who doesn’t agree that the Israeli authorities treat Palestinian’s terribly. It wouldn’t be controversial here to say - isn’t it awful what’s happening in Gaza - in any situation whether when I lived in the UK it was a lot more controversial and wouldn’t be a suitable thing to mention in work for example.

I haven’t changed my mind but I’m a lot more educated about anti semitism and have more understanding of the viewpoint of people who support the Israeli government.

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stormy4319trevor · 17/12/2023 19:20

@Anotherdayanotherdiet I don't think that post was meant to you, it was for an alien -see above posts

Parkingt111 · 17/12/2023 19:22

@Anotherdayanotherdiet it was tagged to you by mistake
It was supposed to be to another poster whose post is now deleted my apologies
That's why I asked mumsnet to remove it

braticus · 17/12/2023 19:25

whattheactualfrog · 17/12/2023 15:17

The Palestinians have been offered a state many times and rejected it, they’re not being “denied” it

Netanyahu literally said on Saturday that he was 'proud to have prevented the establishment of a Palestinian state.'

Thereissomelight · 17/12/2023 19:52

Thereissomelight · 17/12/2023 18:43

This sounds vaguely threatening in fact. What will the “interesting” email recipient do when you share your concerns?

Still wondering about this interesting email. Should we worry if you have concerns about us? Should we ask the police to take a look at your post?

Anotherdayanotherdiet · 17/12/2023 20:08

Still wondering about this interesting email. Should we worry if you have concerns about us? Should we ask the police to take a look at your post?
It’s probably the CST email (the CST being an organisation that supports Jewish communities). Some people on here feel MN is not addressing antisemitism on the site and want to raise it with them.

They have an interesting report on antisemitic discourse (what it is, legal definitions etc) on their website

https://cst.org.uk/public/data/file/3/7/Antisemitic%20Discourse%20Report%202019.pdf

https://cst.org.uk/public/data/file/3/7/Antisemitic%20Discourse%20Report%202019.pdf

Xenia · 17/12/2023 20:33

My views have not changed in support of Israel at the start and now. I do not support censorship however as I would rather see the 5th column, enemy within our land of the UK as it were so we know what we are up against in our fight to preserve the UK, US and Israeli democracies.

The huge Hamas tunnels Israel has been showing the world today illustrate yet again the terrorist enemies to our freedom which are Hamas. Hamas has spent millions whilst its people get very little of the money. People are nothing to Hamas.

Thereissomelight · 17/12/2023 20:40

@Xenia
Do you think the US, UK and Israel are a triumvirate of some kind?

Thereissomelight · 17/12/2023 20:40

Genuine question.

Parkingt111 · 17/12/2023 21:04

Anotherdayanotherdiet · 17/12/2023 19:16

@Anotherdayanotherdiet What is wrong with you to post such a thing!
What do you mean? All I said was I think it’ll backfire 😵‍💫

That’s assuming the joke is even aimed at their critics. Given that’s it’s not so bizarre to imagine that a company that builds settlements might be planning to build settlements perhaps it’s the Palestinians they’re actually goading.

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Yes agree with this
Its deliberately inflammatory especially as they are currently being intensely bombed
It's not even a stand alone post there are several referring to the settlements in Gaza including soldiers who work for the company holding up the banner of the company in Gaza

Parkingt111 · 17/12/2023 21:06

Its to further add salt to the wounds.

stomachameleon · 17/12/2023 21:32

@Parkingt111 I agree with that.

Livinginanotherworld · 17/12/2023 21:50

25milesfromhome · 17/12/2023 17:57

And @Livinginanotherworld as you’re so keen to demand I answer your questions, are you not so keen to answer my question about who you think I am and who exactly you mean by “you”?

I was using the ‘royal’ you. The posters who don’t want a ceasefire and who won’t listen to anyone else’s point of view.

Analien49451 · 17/12/2023 22:10

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stomachameleon · 17/12/2023 22:13

Isn't it the royal 'we'?
It's a bit ironic saying that your point of view isn't listened to. I am listening but I don't have to agrees with you.

25milesfromhome · 17/12/2023 22:34

Livinginanotherworld · 17/12/2023 21:50

I was using the ‘royal’ you. The posters who don’t want a ceasefire and who won’t listen to anyone else’s point of view.

Ah, so you weren’t actually talking to me at all because I clearly am listening to other people’s points of view, otherwise I wouldn’t be replying to them. Yet more supposition from you about others’ views on a ceasefire because you have absolutely no idea what the royal “we” think about it.
And yet here you are, still doubling down on speaking for, over and about Jews, it’s just embarrassing now.

Livinginanotherworld · 17/12/2023 22:43

I’m so sorry you are embarrassed. If you are Jewish, what gives you the right to speak for all Jews though ? Serious question. Although I would be embarrassed if I supported all the bombing of innocent men women and children too.

stomachameleon · 17/12/2023 22:47

@Livinginanotherworld once again that makes no sense.
What are you talking about?

25milesfromhome · 17/12/2023 22:48

Livinginanotherworld · 17/12/2023 22:43

I’m so sorry you are embarrassed. If you are Jewish, what gives you the right to speak for all Jews though ? Serious question. Although I would be embarrassed if I supported all the bombing of innocent men women and children too.

Still with the same tired, offensive, assumptive rhetoric.
I don’t speak for all Jews, I speak for myself. You’re not Jewish, so you don’t get to speak for any Jews at all, not a one. Your arrogance and ignorance is off the scale, I don’t presume to speak about other ethnicities, minorities and cultures as if I know better than them.

ETA a word.

25milesfromhome · 17/12/2023 22:49

@Livinginanotherworld it’s almost like you get a little kick out of goading Jewish posters on MN.

25milesfromhome · 17/12/2023 22:55

stomachameleon · 17/12/2023 22:47

@Livinginanotherworld once again that makes no sense.
What are you talking about?

Just another day, just another derail.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 17/12/2023 22:55

@25milesfromhome it's disgusting - and others see it for what it is too (I'm not Jewish).

Analien49451 · 17/12/2023 23:18

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Analien49451 · 17/12/2023 23:19

Livinginanotherworld · 17/12/2023 22:43

I’m so sorry you are embarrassed. If you are Jewish, what gives you the right to speak for all Jews though ? Serious question. Although I would be embarrassed if I supported all the bombing of innocent men women and children too.

Well said ! It's like nobody can speak against Israelis .

Analien49451 · 17/12/2023 23:20

Xenia · 17/12/2023 20:33

My views have not changed in support of Israel at the start and now. I do not support censorship however as I would rather see the 5th column, enemy within our land of the UK as it were so we know what we are up against in our fight to preserve the UK, US and Israeli democracies.

The huge Hamas tunnels Israel has been showing the world today illustrate yet again the terrorist enemies to our freedom which are Hamas. Hamas has spent millions whilst its people get very little of the money. People are nothing to Hamas.

Israel is an occupying force committing genocide

plusjamais · 17/12/2023 23:22

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It's because your posts have been horrendously antisemitic. And now a terrorist-apologist it seems.

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