Why Can't Gazans Leave?

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There is probably a very simple answer to this that I missed in early news reports.

It's so awful watching News Feeds that essentially seem to say that Gazans are having to move around in a cat and mouse game with the IDF to avoid bombs but have nowhere left to go.

I am very aware that war has casualties and other countries are at war. I am not necessarily saying that IDF should stop fighting.

But this war is different in that all civilians seem to be trapped. Normally war creates refugees. Ukrainians, Afghans, Syrians - they were able to get out. Not all, I know, but movement was an option and it kept civilian casualties down. Why can't Gazans leave Gaza?

"Guterres is reportedly still seeking a ceasefire [Doha Conference] and Biden is sending more ammunition"

Good old Genocide Joe, helping the ethnic cleansing along with his bombs that kill innocent Palestinian children and civilians. He will always be remembered as the president that aided and abetted these war crimes.

Khan younis right now

And these are the massive craters on Salah din Road leading out of the south as mentioned before
So even those who are brave enough to try and evacuate again, some have relocated a number of times, face many challenges
where they are told to evacuate to is not necessarily safe as it could still be bombed

I just posted elsewhere that 'humanitarian pause' is an oxymoron. It's a phrase that contains a contradiction - that it is humanitarian to take a break from killing, with the full intention of returning to killing. It's nonsense speak to prolong the attack and placate the rest of the world.

In one of the photos in this series [same view] is a dad and 3 small children examining the crater from the road - I mean what do you do on a Sunday morning if you can't take the kids to feed the ducks or play in the park

Nothing about these peoples lives is normal

Don't know if you read the 'a day in the life of a 7 yr old in gaza' - this little girl and her friends bored from not being at school were going down to the hospital to see the dead bodies being brought in - not fazed at all by it

Those kids will grow up with a level of trauma that's unimaginable. They lost everything, saw death in every corner. If someone murdered my whole family, and destroyed my house and town, I'd make it my life mission to retaliate. In my opinion, Israel may get rid of Hamas now but it has created a whole new generation that will want to fight it with everything they have.

And this time, because of social media and 24/7 news coverage, they’re inspiring many, many people around the world to stand alongside them.

Those kids will grow up with a level of trauma that's unimaginable. They lost everything, saw death in every corner. If someone murdered my whole family, and destroyed my house and town, I'd make it my life mission to retaliate.

Can you think of any other groups of people that this has happened to?

A large percentage of Israeli children in Southern parts of Israel were already suffering from PTSD long before Oct 7th. This article is from 2008

https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/news/2008/01/27/relentless-rocket-attacks-take-psychological-toll-children-sderot

So I imagine Israeli children may feel the same way. Especially the children who lost their families and homes, and were taken hostage on Oct 7th.

Israel didn’t start this current conflict (and has never actually started a war in that region IIRC?) so however unpalatable it may be, Palestinian children should be looking to their elders who voted in a terrorist government, who don’t want peace until Israel is annihilated and believe their citizens are sacrificial martyrs for their ideology, as to why they are enduring the loss and devastation of this war, why bomb shelters were never built but terrorist tunnels were despite their government provoking wars, why billions of aid was spent on arms instead of on them, and why their leaders are living billionaire lifestyles in another country?

The SM and 24/7 news coverage should be inspiring people to call for Hamas and the other terrorist groups to give themselves up to stop this war not inspiring them on with chants of ‘to the river to the sea’.

Not many who have faced this reality for decades and decades.

Really?

This, completely. It's devastating to see. Vile and very frustrating that no-one is willing to step in and stop the IDF.

Well, I would need to look up Syria to see exactly what happened there. I feel as if I saw streams of refugees more than actual bombed areas and people running with stretchers. Surely that nice David Someone, who works for MSF and sat next to the Queen at dinner one day, had been working in Syria.

It could be argued that from the 1930s to 1945 a lot of Jewish people had their whole families destroyed along with their houses and work. Some of their kids got to safety, maybe in countries where they were not taught to hate. Some of their kids were kicked to death on the streets before they got to Auschwitz.

@NeonSoda I Don't that situation is unique to Gaza by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe how they chose to deal with if?

Look at darfur? Yemen? There are lots of countries. We have had two WW's here. My Nan lost a whole street of family in 'hellfire corner'. Pretty sure she didn't explode with murderous intent. (She wasn't keen on krauts mind you and wailing Winnie made her cry until she died at 97)

What is so different? Education? And I mean both sides are letting their children down. Wanting something better? Valuing your own life? The Chain has to be broken.

Well no one can deny the pain on both sides, that's true. But history did NOT start on the 7th of October.

The Jews in Europe faced many atrocities especially during world war 2. The Nazi's mercilessly killed and destroyed them. I can't imagine the trauma they went through as a community and no sane person can deny the pain they went through. However, when Britain gave the green light to the Jews to immigrate to Palestine in the 30's and 40's, and when eventually Israel was established as a state, those Jews committed the same atrocities that they themselves experienced, to Palestinians. (Side note: Palestine was under British rule from 1920 to 1948). In 1948, with the establishment of Israel, more than 13,000 Palestinians were killed, and 750,000 displaced. Between the 1940's and 1980's, there was no Hamas. Yet there was still systematic ethnic cleansing by Israel. You can have a look at the maps and see how Israel kept taking more Palestinian land over the years. I don't know how peace could be attained in the area, but I can tell you it wouldn't be through displacing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians again, or through killing babies, children which no one can deny is Israel's tactic for now, and for the past 75 years.

And if we just have a look over only the past 15 years in Gaza. We'll see Israel bombed them in 2008 killing 1440 people. And again in 2012 killing 1400. Then in 2014 killing 2300. And again in 2021 killing 256 people. And the death toll since the past 8 weeks is 17,700 including almost 8000 children. A teenager in Gaza aged 15 years old will have lived through 5 wars. So far. What was the excuse for all these bombardments?

Hardly the British giving the green light to Jewish immigration- that ship is the Theodore Hertzl, detained in Haifa in 1947. The ship was halted and boarded somewhat violently by the British military and the Jewish refugees onboard transported to detention camps in Cyprus, along with 50,000 more Holocaust survivors who’d been intercepted trying to resettle in Mandatory Palestine after WW2.

After Balfour declaration, Britain did facilitate immigration of European Jews to Palestine. The endogenous Jews in Palestine before 1922 formed 9% of the population. In 1935, after a lot immigration from Europe they formed 27% of the population in Palestine.

Yes, Britain did. They also also imposed many restrictions on Jewish immigration to Mandatory Palestine, which, coupled with many European countries and the US imposing strict immigration quotas for Jews fleeing rising antisemitism in Europe, and later, Nazism and the Holocaust, had disastrous consequences for Jews. This in no way downplays the disastrous consequences for the Palestinians.

Hundreds of thousands of Gazan still starving, thirsty, overcrowded with little or no healthcare and trapped in southern gaza - cold, heavy rain and winds marking the onset of winter blowing tents away, increasing the risk of disease and just generally adding to their misery

This was what the UN have said about them being forced out into N Sinai

''Over the weekend, the head of the UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) voiced alarm over what he feared would be a mass expulsion of Palestinians into Egypt.

In an opinion piece Saturday in the Los Angeles Times, Philippe Lazzarini said “the developments we are witnessing point to attempts to move Palestinians into Egypt”.

An Israeli spokesperson responded: “There is not, never was, and never will be an Israeli plan to move the residents of Gaza to Egypt.”

The Palestinians and have real concerns about forced displacement after the Nakba of 1948.
It is generational trauma for them,
And I think that fear has resurfaced especially with the images of thousands fleeing the north with whatever they could carry waving white flags

Although the displacement is internal, the numbers have greatly surpassed the nakba of 1948 which was the displacement of 750 thousand
Currently there are estimated 1.8million people who are internally displaced

It also doesn't help when Israeli ministers make comments like this on TV

“We are now rolling out the Gaza Nakba,” Israeli security cabinet member and Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter declared on Saturday. “Gaza Nakba 2023. That’s how it’ll end.”

We've seen the pictures of men rounded up from a shelter school a few days ago. This just happened.

@Whatamidoinhere where is that from?

@Whatamidoinhere
I had wondered as I watched a video of some of the Palestinians that had been stripped and detained by IDF while sheltering in a home by an UNWRA school and had been beaten, interrogated and numbered (in sharpie) and released. They were saying among other horrific things that the IDF had also taken women, “our mothers and sisters” and separated them and taken them no one knows where,

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2023/12/10/palestinians-speak-of-being-stripped-and-abused-by-israeli-forces-in-gaza