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Do lots of people support Hamas?

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elprup · 03/12/2023 20:33

I just read this story and it is absolutely horrific

I saw ten Hamas terrorists beat and gang-rape an Israeli woman

https://mol.im/a/12820081

Is everyone on the pro-Palestine marches in London solely supporting the innocent civilians of Palestine (as I do too)? Or are there some people on these marches supporting the actions of Hamas as well?

I want to join the marches in support of innocent adults and kids in Gaza (and I would want to march for the same reasons on any pro Israel marches too), but I do not want to endorse Hamas in any shape or form. They are absolutely vile.

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marvellousceiling · 10/12/2023 08:33

Katy231 · 09/12/2023 23:47

Really interesting how the focus is on Hamas and not the IDF terrorist group who are throwing white phosphorus as we speak.

Does anyone condemn those actions? They are breaking international law, do you condemn these actions?

hear hear

Jupitersstorm · 10/12/2023 12:26

Wow - even a thread title that is as clear as a bell attracts those who want to talk about the IDF.

backtowinter · 10/12/2023 14:57

Katy231 · 09/12/2023 23:47

Really interesting how the focus is on Hamas and not the IDF terrorist group who are throwing white phosphorus as we speak.

Does anyone condemn those actions? They are breaking international law, do you condemn these actions?

I wonder why that is

Trulywonderful · 10/12/2023 15:01

Jupitersstorm · 10/12/2023 12:26

Wow - even a thread title that is as clear as a bell attracts those who want to talk about the IDF.

Sshh

Just enjoy reading it keeping the thread title in mind

😂

Parkingt111 · 10/12/2023 15:18

Not entirely about supporting Hamas but Qatar's PM made a statement today which I think is quite alarming for Israel and in general

He said due to the war there is a risk of a entire generation in the middle east becoming radicalised

I think when people talk of escalation and preventing it, the focus is on preventing it now.
What seems to be largely ignored is the impact in the region for years to come

Trulywonderful · 10/12/2023 17:34

Parkingt111 · 10/12/2023 15:18

Not entirely about supporting Hamas but Qatar's PM made a statement today which I think is quite alarming for Israel and in general

He said due to the war there is a risk of a entire generation in the middle east becoming radicalised

I think when people talk of escalation and preventing it, the focus is on preventing it now.
What seems to be largely ignored is the impact in the region for years to come

Since most the surrounding countries ethnic cleansing Jews from their countries over the last 100 years I don't think much will change in attitude towards Israel really.

Some non or less religious Arabs have softened in recent years but the more religious the Arab the more they think of Jews as dhimmi in the middle east. Therefore the idea of Jews being able to self determine and live free to be Jewish without any taxes or restrictions on that is not very excepted. Let alone the idea of a Jewish state in the middle east, which is largely rejected by millions and millions of Arabs.

Plus the young always want whatever they latest social justice that is seen as the think to support. Arab youth and twenty somethings are very similar to here in that respect. Most people do grow out of this in their late twenties and early thirties though. This is when most start taking a more logical and balanced view of current events. People are more willing to look at all the facts and the bigger picture for their country and others. Plus of course have more life experience to use when analysing a situation and be less likely to listen to any attempts at properganda or radicalisation. Not every twenty grows like this with age but the majority do, especially once they have families of their own to consider. In the case of the middle east less conflict means families and economies are safer. Future leaders will more than likely make decisions based on this rather than what a group of people their own countries have abused have or haven't done (Palestinians & Jews have been tortured, raped and killed in most the surrounding countries historically)

ChickHenLittle · 10/12/2023 20:30

@Katy231 Totally agree with your post. There is also a thread documenting/discussing the awful actions of the IDF. There was so much that there is now a second thread filling up fast, but the first is still around. A lot of it is distressing, if not surprising.

Trulywonderful · 10/12/2023 22:02

Hamas has warned that not a single hostage would leave the territory “alive” unless the group’s demands were met.

“Neither the fascist enemy and its arrogant leadership... nor its supporters... can take their prisoners alive without an exchange and negotiation and meeting the demands of the resistance,” Abu Obeida, spokesman for Hamas’s armed wing, said in a televised broadcast, referring to the release of Palestinian prisoners held by Israel.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/10/israel-hamas-war-latest-news-updates-gaza1/

Hamas says no hostage will leave alive unless group's demands met

Hamas has warned that not a single hostage would leave the territory “alive” unless the group’s demands were met.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/10/israel-hamas-war-latest-news-updates-gaza1

Jupitersstorm · 10/12/2023 23:51

Trulywonderful · 10/12/2023 17:34

Since most the surrounding countries ethnic cleansing Jews from their countries over the last 100 years I don't think much will change in attitude towards Israel really.

Some non or less religious Arabs have softened in recent years but the more religious the Arab the more they think of Jews as dhimmi in the middle east. Therefore the idea of Jews being able to self determine and live free to be Jewish without any taxes or restrictions on that is not very excepted. Let alone the idea of a Jewish state in the middle east, which is largely rejected by millions and millions of Arabs.

Plus the young always want whatever they latest social justice that is seen as the think to support. Arab youth and twenty somethings are very similar to here in that respect. Most people do grow out of this in their late twenties and early thirties though. This is when most start taking a more logical and balanced view of current events. People are more willing to look at all the facts and the bigger picture for their country and others. Plus of course have more life experience to use when analysing a situation and be less likely to listen to any attempts at properganda or radicalisation. Not every twenty grows like this with age but the majority do, especially once they have families of their own to consider. In the case of the middle east less conflict means families and economies are safer. Future leaders will more than likely make decisions based on this rather than what a group of people their own countries have abused have or haven't done (Palestinians & Jews have been tortured, raped and killed in most the surrounding countries historically)

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Well put Truly. Lots of posts on the boards warning how much worse things will be for Israel and world Jewry now. Fact of the matter is, things have always been challenging for Israel and world Jewry so it's a case of "as you were." Only this time, the current terrorist government in Gaza or its successor Gaza won't have much of an appetite to want to invade Israel/institute a Holocaust style pogrom as it is clear now that hell has no fury like a scorned Israel. Israel will always have its enemies but those enemies respect the military and will do so even more now. This post is not supposed to be an embrace of the IDF counter but rather pointing out the truth .

Trulywonderful · 11/12/2023 13:16

We all I think know there are definitely some Hamas supporters in London but apparently Hamas is in London as well

https://tps.co.il/articles/londonistan-hamas-base-of-operations-in-england/

» ‘Londonistan’: Hamas’ Base of Operations in England

https://tps.co.il/articles/londonistan-hamas-base-of-operations-in-england

Trulywonderful · 11/12/2023 13:18

I don't like the use of Londonistan in the title of the article or when people use it in general. That is cheap and reeks of Islamophobia. However the information in the article is interesting

etmoiandme · 11/12/2023 13:22

Trulywonderful · 11/12/2023 13:16

We all I think know there are definitely some Hamas supporters in London but apparently Hamas is in London as well

https://tps.co.il/articles/londonistan-hamas-base-of-operations-in-england/

Oh lo and behold - the world's unluckiest racist has "the closest ties"!

etmoiandme · 11/12/2023 13:23

Trulywonderful · 11/12/2023 13:18

I don't like the use of Londonistan in the title of the article or when people use it in general. That is cheap and reeks of Islamophobia. However the information in the article is interesting

Yes, that made me wince too.

Trulywonderful · 11/12/2023 13:28

etmoiandme · 11/12/2023 13:22

Oh lo and behold - the world's unluckiest racist has "the closest ties"!

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Surprise

Not

ChickHenLittle · 11/12/2023 13:29

Trulywonderful · 11/12/2023 13:18

I don't like the use of Londonistan in the title of the article or when people use it in general. That is cheap and reeks of Islamophobia. However the information in the article is interesting

Agreed, the reference doesn't tie in to a Middle Eastern country either, none end in -istan. It's as if Muslims are just lumped together regardless of provenance/actual geographic location, and the use of such phrases has become fairly commonplace.

etmoiandme · 11/12/2023 13:35

ChickHenLittle · 11/12/2023 13:29

Agreed, the reference doesn't tie in to a Middle Eastern country either, none end in -istan. It's as if Muslims are just lumped together regardless of provenance/actual geographic location, and the use of such phrases has become fairly commonplace.

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Generally when people use that term they don't actually care (or know) whether it ties into the Middle East or not - because they're racist and love a racist slogan. It got banded about a lot in the wake of 9/11 and it absolutely turns my stomach. It should be called out at all times.

Trulywonderful · 11/12/2023 13:49

ChickHenLittle · 11/12/2023 13:29

Agreed, the reference doesn't tie in to a Middle Eastern country either, none end in -istan. It's as if Muslims are just lumped together regardless of provenance/actual geographic location, and the use of such phrases has become fairly commonplace.

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True

The use of it comes from a place of ignorance and racism. Though of course people that use it think they are being clever.

London has various different Muslim communities within it whose heritage come from all over the world.

This stuff annoys me a lot

etmoiandme · 11/12/2023 13:58

I've seen quite a lot of comments, maybe on a different thread, that Hamas don't want the global destruction of Jews because they changed their charter actually.

"There are Jews everywhere. We must attack every Jew on the face of the planet".

https://twitter.com/LizaRosen0000/status/1734174597124071867

https://twitter.com/LizaRosen0000/status/1734174597124071867

BabaBarrio · 11/12/2023 14:24

etmoiandme · 11/12/2023 13:58

I've seen quite a lot of comments, maybe on a different thread, that Hamas don't want the global destruction of Jews because they changed their charter actually.

"There are Jews everywhere. We must attack every Jew on the face of the planet".

https://twitter.com/LizaRosen0000/status/1734174597124071867

The man saying that, Fathi Hammad, was kicked out of Hamas for that rant which was from July 2019. At the time, he wasn’t even a senior official within Hamas having been sacked from those positions for extremism.

That rant was widely condemned by Hamas and other Palestinians as well as the international community. He later retracted them and stated that he supports the Hamas policy of "limiting its resistance to the Zionist occupation that usurps Palestine’s land and defiles its holy sites".

It’s a four year old version of what Amichai Eliyah said last month. Amichai Eliyah is the Interior Minister of Israel, who said a nuclear bomb should be dropped on Gaza. Eliyah hasn’t been sacked, he is still the Interior Minister, he’s just been suspended from attending war cabinet meetings.

etmoiandme · 11/12/2023 14:27

Ah well, that makes it OK then. I'm sure absolutely none of his friends in Hamas agree with him.

BabaBarrio · 11/12/2023 14:42

etmoiandme · 11/12/2023 14:27

Ah well, that makes it OK then. I'm sure absolutely none of his friends in Hamas agree with him.

It’s as OK as the Israeli Interior Minister saying just drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza. Which is to say, it’s not ok. It is genocide rhetoric.

But the rhetoric you posted is more than four years old, the person was kicked out of Hamas for saying it and has retracted his comments saying he agrees with Hamas actual policy which is to limit resistance to “Zionist occupation” but in the other case the rhetoric is only one month old, the person still has their high ranking job in the Israeli government, and has not retracted their comments to say they agree with Israel’s official policy.

etmoiandme · 11/12/2023 14:51

Hamas actual policy which is to limit resistance to “Zionist occupation”

Well that's certainly one way of putting what happened on 7th October 2023. Next you'll be telling me they're resistance fighters.

It’s as OK as the Israeli Interior Minister saying just drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza. Which is to say, it’s not ok. It is genocide rhetoric.

Yes, I agree that is genocide rhetoric.

Livinginanotherworld · 11/12/2023 18:32

etmoiandme · 11/12/2023 13:22

Oh lo and behold - the world's unluckiest racist has "the closest ties"!

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Interesting article. How unbiased is this International Israeli News Agency ?