Israelis held hostage (part 2)

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Continuing

Sorry just read that’s exactly what the article says has happened.

The article did not say this happened - Hamas said this happened. I highly doubt they perished in this way.

I can believe that the family are dead but, if so, I'll bet it was Hamas or another group who murdered them. They know this particular family have the greatest PR value, so are either lying about the deaths or the manner of death.

I thought Hamas said they didn't have them. That someone else did. And now they are saying they are all dead?

Why kill them? They were good assets for them to exchange them for Palestinians in Israel’s prisons. To me it makes 0 sense to kill your hostages when you’re trying to exchange them

5 women, 7 children tonight. Not the Bibas family. Hostages on the way to the red cross.

@EasterIssland a big part of what they are doing is psychological warfare.

To say 'look what evil Israel did,' to attempt to divide public opinion in Israel, or the family had already been killed by their captors, perhaps on October 7th.

Or they are not actually dead and it is all just a cruel game.

Sorry 5 children 7 women

Of course they could have been killed in air strikes - 1000s and 1000s of people have been killed and I’m sure some of the hostages will have been. It’s possible we will never know.

Whether or not they died in an airstrike, it was entirely inevitable and predictable that Hamas would indeed claim that.

Well of course and Israel will deny it. Which is why we need a mediated ceasefire and release of all hostages. The violence has to
stop it serves no purpose whatsoever - it certainly doesn’t help Israel destroy Hamas and has a negative impact on getting the hostages released .

anyway , back to the thread .

So if there are 5 children being released, is one of them 18 but was 17 on abduction?
I’ve also read (but no idea how accurate) that there are 35 women remaining, so hopefully they will start releasing some of the younger women as well, particularly that poor girl who looked like she was raped.
Does the 35 number look right @EllaDisenchanted ?

These are the youngest 5 of whom could be on the list presumably :
Gali Tarashanski, 13
Amit Shani, 16
Ofir Engel, 17
Aisha Alziana, 17
Liam Or, 18
Itai Regev, 18

Be interesting to see the names as I’m sure there are 6 children still hostage ( if you include the 2 youngest as not confirmed) and 2 18 year olds who they may count as adults.

if the 2 youngest are deceased then that leaves 4 other children under the age of 18 so who is the 5th?

I feel sick at the thought of these poor people.

Sorry cross posted

Whether they were killed in an Israeli airstrike or they were killed by Hamas , they still died because Hamas took them hostage and took them to Gaza, if they hadn't they'd likely still be alive. There's not anything else to muse about it wherever you sit (and I'm usually nuanced) but with this I am very convinced who is responsible for their deaths. Watching the dead Palestinian babies filled me with rage at Israel, but this equally fills me with rage at Hamas.

I'm absolutely gutted if this is true. There have been three things that have really got to me in the past few weeks and this is one of them. The poor Dad/husband left behind. It's unimaginable.

And why were the Bibas family in a position to be killed in an air strike? Because Hamas kidnapped them. Their death is still ultimately the responsibility of Hamas

Is there a list yet?

Cross posted effectively weddingpuzzle

Israel Defense Forces: Two Israeli hostages handed to Red Cross, en route to Israeli territory

Israeli Defense Forces spokesperson Daniel Hagari has announced that according to information provided by the Red Cross, two Israeli hostages were transferred to the international humanitarian organization and “are on their way to Israeli territory.”

“Their release is in addition to the list of abductees scheduled to be released today,” he added.

I'm also pretty aghast that someone has sat on this news @StarbucksSmarterSister - how long ago was the last Israeli airstrike? 6 days? So someone has known that this family died and failed to pass that on. Diabolical. Even if Hamas didn't have them, who the hell would keep that fact to themselves for nearly a week?

This sounds awful but I really hope this is Hamas doing psychological propaganda (still abhorrent) and they are alive.

And entirely Hamas's fault

They're Israeli Russians - one a 50 year old woman, with her 73 year old mother.

Of course but the Israeli Govt also
made the decision to bomb Gaza knowing this was a risk. And if they return to bombing, they will do so knowing this risks any remaining hostages.

I think this was them. No crowd control today at all really but at least we know they're safe now. If they do this around the remaining children it will be even more horrifying.

https://twitter.com/HeidiBachram/status/1729930268549501413?t=eNKJLzZf_w6TqIajp7cLyA&s=19