Israelis held hostage (part 2)

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Continuing

Ofcourse it would be naive to think Hamas doesn't have some support in Gaza because they are not just some small little group but the governing body there.

But does it mean that even those who supported them for certain aspects prior to the war means they also supported them in carrying out the actions of October 7th?

If suggesting that then it could make the dangerous implication that the civilians deaths in Gaza are somewhat justified. Not that I am saying that you are saying that but that's how it can be read in to

I read on BBC verify that although different factions took part in drills they don't believe it was until the day of the attack that Hamas told even the other groups about it.

And in regards to the hostage who escaped and was taken back we don't really know the circumstances around it and there could be many possibilities
It seems that the PIJ are much worse and if they had captured him then he may not have been released

It is a sad state of affairs and does indicate how much work is needed

(Just my own thoughts)

This was just reported as a possibility
I am personally hoping that this is Qatar putting pressure on Hamas to locate the other hostages

Qatar is focused on further extending a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel beyond Wednesday, based on the group’s ability to continue releasing 10 hostages a day.

Similarly all this overwhelming support of Gaza including before Israel responded could be read into as October 7th attack on Israel and jewish people, being justified. In fact, at some marches, thats exactly what some people said. I saw some shocking footage of the marches showing just how much support Hamas has in our own country. So let's not read into other posters remarks or try and paint fair and reasonable observations as showing support for anything anyone is doing to each other, on BOTH sides.

I'm not denying there may be some on both sides
What I was saying is that I don't think it's the majority

I could be wrong obviously,
But cheering and clapping in my world means celebrations.
so they are celebrating.

It looked exactly the same when the Palestinians were being released

The release of hostages obviously means everything is going to plan and the release of Palestinians is the next stage.

Especially as everything was so delayed yesterday.
So this is a short respite and a time to celebrate for all.

Great, nobody said it was.

Actually felt devastated to see Kfir and his family are confirmed to be with another terrorist group. I have no connection to them but I was so so hoping they would be released in the most recent group.
What does this mean for the likelihood of them being released? One news site is reporting the group that holds them are known for not negotiating/dealing with any external parties but it's the DM so I have no idea how accurate this is.
I can't stop thinking about them.

Eitan Yahalomi is 12. He had already been described as a sensitive child by his family.

His aunt has said Hamas made the children look at videos of 7th October attack. Hamas gunmen would also threaten the children when they cried.
When he arrived in Gaza, civilians also beat him. ( Video on Twitter shows lots of men hitting or trying to hit the hostages as they are driven through Gaza.)

According to her, he was partly detained alone, and at times with others. This is in addition to the trauma he experienced, including seeing his father injured following a shootout with Hamas. He was separated from his mother and sisters before they were taken to Gaza and they managed to escape.

bfmtv.com/international/…

No one is allowed to talk about the Israeli hostages on here, are they?

@Lobster7 what makes you think we don’t? What makes you think we didn’t write to our MP’s about the situation? What made you think we don’t think about those poor poor children and their families often? What makes you think we don’t see the social media posts and wish with all our hearts we could make things different?
this is a thread about a specific subject which people are discussing. It’s not the place to try to vilify people for their “views” and empathy. It is very possible to feel heartbroken for the innocents on both sides who are suffering, have suffered or are lost.

@Embelline I was talking to that specific poster.

Proper link

https://www.bfmtv.com/international/moyen-orient/israel/il-a-vecu-des-horreurs-la-tante-d-eitan-ex-otage-francais-de-12-ans-raconte-ses-conditions-de-detention_AV-202311280291.html

His aunt has said Hamas made the children look at videos of 7th October attack.

Oh my God.

Some of us can care about both actually. This thread is about Israeli hostages, there are plenty of others for you to post on about what you think of Israel's actions. Please go and do so on those threads

what makes you think we don’t? What makes you think we didn’t write to our MP’s about the situation? What made you think we don’t think about those poor poor children and their families often? What makes you think we don’t see the social media posts and wish with all our hearts we could make things different?

Probably the fact that anyone mentioning the issues around Palestinian detainees were chased off the thread. I appreciate that you may not of been personally involved in that (can’t remember) but this “oh what makes you think we don’t care“ Come off it.

😔.

That is absolutely sickening.

Chased off the thread? They're still here still making irrelevant comments, still trying to make people feel ashamed for talking about anything other than Gaza. Don't pretend like you're persecuted and put upon.

That poor boy

I'm really disturbed by videos of Palestinians jeering and hammering on vehicles with the hostages in them. It's like a public spectacle

It's just Hamas, right?

Nobody chased you anywhere. Every time someone mentions Israeli hostages one of you reply with something about Gazan's. Maybe if you didn't people wouldn't get upset with your posts.

Don't pretend like you're persecuted and put upon

I’m not doing that

Nobody chased you anywhere. Every time someone mentions Israeli hostages one of you reply with something about Gazan's

Why is that upsetting though? If you care about both? Making comments about Gazan’s doesn’t negate any discussion about the hostages and how awful it’s been for them does it?

This is about Israeli hostages. Someone has set up a separate thread about Palestinian detainees to try and keep things on track.

When you do it in reply to someone talking about Israeli hostages, on a thread about the hostages, its disingenuous and quite obviously done to minimise what happened to them. We are allowed to think about the hostages without any of you reminding us about Gazan's. There are so many pro Palestine threads its just beyond rude to come on to the few about Israeli's and do that.