Israelis held hostage (part 2)

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Continuing

https://www.timesofisrael.com/daughter-of-critically-ill-84-year-old-freed-hostage-red-cross-abandoned-her/

Elma Avraham released yesterday remains in critical condition.

@EllaDisenchanted was just going to post this...

Oh this is vile. It’s said to have been written by Danielle Aloni. IF she did write it, she was forced to since Hamas still hold her sister and twin 3 year old nieces.

They really are scum.

https://twitter.com/DrAhmedtaher1/status/1729196309012472011?t=j97hkkhtQ_3QysYSYGIL_w&s=19

Hello Ella
Can I ask where that was reported please? I have looked for an update and I can't see anything which is slightly worrying

@Parkingt111 Someone I follow on instagram who posts news updates. Not an official news site/journalist, but usually fairly accurate and posts corrections If not.
list so far of hostages ; Sharon cunio and twin daughters Emily and Yulia (age 3). I believe Sharon is Danielle aloni sister who was one of the first released.
Karina englebert and daughters Mika and yuval. Dad remains behind.

That’s 6 so far l. Supposed to be 11 today (to bring up to 50 Israelis) and 6 Thai hostages

mika 18, yuval 11

I've seen this list for today

1. Sharon Cunio (34)
2. Emma Cunio (3)
3. Yuli Cunio (3)
4. Karina Engel (53)
5. Mika Engel (18)
6. Yuval Engel (11)
7. Amit Shani (16)
8. Sahar Calderon (16)
9. Erez Calderon (13)

10. Or Yaakov (16) 11. Yigil Yaakov (13)

No kfir, Ariel and their mum....

That's sick.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/27/middleeast/russian-israeli-hostage-escaped-hamas-intl/index.html.

How many Gazans are for Hamas and how many are against them? I see stories like this and just think why? Why would ordinary citizens turn over people to terrorists who want to kill them? And the " ordinary" people who cheered when Shani Louk was paraded through the streets? Israel are now releasing terrorists from their jail's. How can Israel ever be safe if this is what their neighbours think of them?

How many Gazans are for Hamas and how many are against them?

According to this survey, 76% of Palestinians (Gaza and West Bank) have a positive view of Hamas, and 89% have a positive view of the Al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas' military wing.

https://www.awrad.org/en/article/10719/Wartime-Poll-Results-of-an-Opinion-Poll-Among-Palestinians-in-the-West-Bank-and-Gaza-Strip

(The English tables of results seem to have been removed but are accessible via Wayback Machine)

Of course it's possible that people are afraid to express dissent. Even so, those numbers are very high.

@EllaDisenchanted thank you
This was reported on sky just now

Israel has confirmed it will receive 11 hostages released by Hamas shortly.
The 11 people, who are already "on their way" with the Red Cross to the border, are reportedly made up by nine children and two mothers - who have been held captive in Gaza for 51

The Jerusalem post has reported that Hamas have confirmed they don't have them and they are being held in Khan Younis by another terrorist group

That's quite terrifying? I support a 2 party state as do my family and friends in Israel but if these are true figures how will this ever come about?

I wish they would release them in daylight. The video of the convoy looks so terrifying .

Or a 2 state solution ..but neither look likely to succeed in these conditions.

@Noatinto I have seen a few different surveys with varying different results
I also support a two state solution
It would be interesting to know what the Palestinians of Gaza think of Hamas after the war has started
I would hope at this point majority of them will see that having a government that instigated an attack that ended up In thousands of them dying and their lives destroyed would not be in their best interests
They have also largely been under occupation and I know that is contested so instead would say instead extremely restricted in the Gaza Strip which could affect their views.
I think it would be interesting to see a survey on how many want the right of self determination and being able to live freely in a independant state whilst co-existing side by side with the Israeli state
All above are just my own thoughts

So glad they released a further 11 "detainees" tonight 🤦🏻‍♀️

the times of israel has a slightly different list - not Amit Shani (16), but Eitan Yahalomi (12)

Agree @Parkingt111

Thank you for that correction - I think you're right. I checked and the person who shared that initial list has taken it down and put up an amended one with Eitan Yahalomi on there.

I'm sorry for sharing the wrong information - they've been right every other day so I assumed this was correct too.

It's all coming out in dribs and drabs, and there is a lot of confusion. This release was delayed again, so maybe there were changes to the list?

Yes, mostly my thoughts too.

@EllaDisenchanted Thanks for the updates. Hope you're doing OK.