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Conflict in the Middle East

School students marching in support of Palestine

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Sausagenbacon · 17/11/2023 09:35

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/palestine-march-tower-hamlets-east-london-israel-gaza-b1120876.html
Why are schools allowing/enabling students to do this?
Is it part of what schools should do, promoting frankly one-sided protest? And what will they decide to march about next? Just imagine being a Jewish student in the middle of this.
I find it sinister.

'Hundreds' of schoolchildren join pro-Palestine protest in Tower Hamlets

Thursday's march forms part of Friday's "National School Strike for Palestine" initiative

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/palestine-march-tower-hamlets-east-london-israel-gaza-b1120876.html

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Sugaristheenemy · 17/11/2023 16:40

Sounds like a sensible question and conversation to me. Whereas you sound like you what to shut down conversation if you don't agree with it

Calling people mentally unbalanced because their expressing opinions you don’t like isn’t sensible FFS

feralunderclass · 17/11/2023 16:41

Stomacharmeleon · 17/11/2023 16:28

@ChickHenLittle but it's not apartheid. Lots of those measures are for security.
Remember Israel withdrew from Gaza. I don't see Hamas making massive inroads......for Palestinians.....in that time.

From an academic POV, it is apartheid. Some might not be brave enough to call it that, but by definition that is what it is. A parallel (much more punitive) legal system for Palestinians, restricted movement (you can't say ALL Palestinians are a security threat) for Palestinians. Even the Arab Israelis are not called "Israelis", there is a demarcation. They are discriminated against and certainly not equal. That's before we even get started on the land. By action and rhetoric the state of Israel is racist.

Desertrose2023 · 17/11/2023 16:46

rosieambu · 17/11/2023 12:37

Of course not. Most Ukrainians are white. It's only us brown people that get the words 'hatred' and 'sinister' aimed at our protests.

You forgot the use of the words “radicalization” and “indoctrination” that have been used so casually by some posters on this thread. Didn’t see those terms thrown about so quickly or easily when there were marches for Ukraine with children participating, or that it was a “safeguarding” issue then. Laughable.

Desertrose2023 · 17/11/2023 17:00

Also @SharonEllis and @Stomacharmeleon and others who continue to insist Israel does not practice apartheid- have you actually read the reports of the international organizations that say Israel is fundamentally an apartheid state ? Human rights watch, amnesty international, Bt’selem (which is Israeli) ?

they have spent years and years researching this looking at the laws, the practices etc., of Israel and testimonies. They have produced detailed reports that are hundreds of pages long and extremely well evidenced and referenced.

are these institutions just lying ? Is their evidence meaningless?

ShenleyWillow · 17/11/2023 17:17

Children shouldn't be used as a political tool by adults on either side of this deeply complex issue. It's teaching children simply that one nationalility is pure and the other evil.

Desertrose2023 · 17/11/2023 17:32

ShenleyWillow · 17/11/2023 17:17

Children shouldn't be used as a political tool by adults on either side of this deeply complex issue. It's teaching children simply that one nationalility is pure and the other evil.

or maybe it’s teaching them that the unnecessary deaths of 6000 children is wrong and something worth protesting. 1 Palestinian child is being killed every 10 minutes in Gaza as per the WHO. One will probably be dead by the time you’ve read this message. We should all be protesting that and calling for a ceasefire.

OuiOuiKitty · 17/11/2023 17:34

ShenleyWillow · 17/11/2023 17:17

Children shouldn't be used as a political tool by adults on either side of this deeply complex issue. It's teaching children simply that one nationalility is pure and the other evil.

People differ. Some people don't see the indiscriminate killing of over 10000 civillians and the starving of over 2 million as 'deeply complex'. To some people there is nothing complex about something that is so patently wrong.

If 300,000 people in the UK were killed in a month and over 60million starved you wouldn't be sitting there calling it 'deeply complex'. It would just be wrong.

noblegiraffe · 17/11/2023 17:37

And some people see political organisations encouraging other people's kids to bunk off school to further their cause as worrying.

Noelectricheating · 17/11/2023 17:43

Desertrose2023 · 17/11/2023 17:32

or maybe it’s teaching them that the unnecessary deaths of 6000 children is wrong and something worth protesting. 1 Palestinian child is being killed every 10 minutes in Gaza as per the WHO. One will probably be dead by the time you’ve read this message. We should all be protesting that and calling for a ceasefire.

Maybe it's teaching them that only the deaths of children from Palestine is wrong since completely ignored the deaths of Israeli children. Sides again. Continuing the divisive hatred.
All children matter. Maybe if marches were just for peace, children and love and unity something might be achieved.
What the adult male was shouting in the clip just increases hate and division.

WomanHereHear · 17/11/2023 17:45

Wow people are getting really triggered by anyone speaking up for the Palestinians. You don’t give a damn about their education and safeguarding, you just don’t like anyone speaking about against the evil bastards murdering everyone. This is quite boring now. Don’t worry, I’m sure the parents gave them permission to protest so butt out. If there are any safeguarding concerns the teachers are trained to report anything that needs reporting. Don’t worry about it!

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/11/2023 17:48

Children marching to protest the ongoing massacre of other children is fine with me.

noblegiraffe · 17/11/2023 17:49

It's not good for political organisations to encourage kids to bunk off school to protest just because you personally agree with the cause.

If parents want their kids to protest, there are weekend protests every weekend they can bring them to.

Branleuse · 17/11/2023 17:54

good.

Israel have gone way too far. I had sympathy for them to begin with, but what they are doing now is evil and sadistic. There is no balance to be had anymore. They might have politicians too frightened to say anything or call for a ceasefire, but the general public are speaking up.

noblegiraffe · 17/11/2023 17:55

Right, so you are happy for political organisations to now have free rein on kids' time at school? Who should step up next with their 'school bunking off kits'? Think of a political cause you don't agree with, and if you wouldn't be happy with that, then you shouldn't be happy with this.

OuiOuiKitty · 17/11/2023 17:59

noblegiraffe · 17/11/2023 17:49

It's not good for political organisations to encourage kids to bunk off school to protest just because you personally agree with the cause.

If parents want their kids to protest, there are weekend protests every weekend they can bring them to.

I'm sure the parents agreed to their children attending the protest. Some kids love feeling like they are doing something rather than sitting watching children be killed in silence. A protest just for them, just in their name might be important to them. Just look at the kids who organised an online protest on Fortnite.

If Israel doesn't want to be called a terrorist state then it should stop acting like one. You can say that you feel somewhere is a terrorist state without accusing everyone there of being a terrorist or hating all Israelis. Nobody gave a shit when Russia was accused of being a terrorist state, nobody said that that was stirring up hate. Why the sudden concern here?

soundsys · 17/11/2023 18:00

I mean... schools are required to tech about British Values and free speech h and the right to peaceful process is part of this, so...

Kindatired · 17/11/2023 18:00

People in democracies get to vote for their government- they’re not put under military control because of their religion or ethnicity..
People in democracies get the same rights regardless of their religion or ethnicity.
Democracies don’t intern large numbers of people for prolonged periods without trail.
Democracies respect the rule of law.
Democracies don’t engage in state sponsored land grabs.
Democracies don’t carry out genocides. And make no mistake, this is a genocide.
In 2016 the (pro- Israeli) New York Times opined”that Israel will be forced to choose between the two core components of its national identity: Jewish and democratic.
This choice, rather than coming in one decisive moment, would probably play out in many small choices over a process of years. For instance, a 2015 poll by the Israel Democracy Institute found that 74 percent of Jewish Israelis agreed that “decisions crucial to the state on issues of peace and security should be made by a Jewish majority.” That pollster also found that, from 2010 to 2014, Jewish Israelis became much less likely to say that Israel should be “Jewish and democratic,” with growing factions saying that it should be democratic first or, slightly more popular, Jewish first.”
There’s every indication that Israel is a right wing ethno- nationalist state that is determined to annihilate the Palestinians of Gaza. The current Israeli government appears to want to destroy every man, woman and child in Gaza either by means of shooting , bombing, starvation, disease or population transfer so it can finally put the lid on any two state solution and won’t have to deal with the security threat it created encouraging Hamas instead of democratic alternatives.

3WildOnes · 17/11/2023 18:03

Sausagenbacon · 17/11/2023 09:41

I just want to know why schools are allowing it

Do you have any evidence that schools are allowing it?

I remember protesting against the Iraq war as a young teenager. We all waked out of school despite being told that anyone who did walk out would be classed as truanting and sanctioned accordingly.

noblegiraffe · 17/11/2023 18:04

I'm sure the parents agreed to their children attending the protest. Some kids love feeling like they are doing something rather than sitting watching children be killed in silence.

Then they can bring them to a weekend protest.

And as for being sure that parents agreed… it’s not a school trip, no one has ensured their permission.

lyingonthebeach · 17/11/2023 18:10

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I completely agree!

OuiOuiKitty · 17/11/2023 18:11

noblegiraffe · 17/11/2023 18:04

I'm sure the parents agreed to their children attending the protest. Some kids love feeling like they are doing something rather than sitting watching children be killed in silence.

Then they can bring them to a weekend protest.

And as for being sure that parents agreed… it’s not a school trip, no one has ensured their permission.

Oh, I didn't realise that you knew these children and their parents personally? A weekend protest isn't specifically for children like I said in the part of my post you didn't manage to cut and paste, maybe they wanted to be part of a protest that is just for them and their parents thought why not?

headstone · 17/11/2023 18:14

The British government is on the wrong side of history again. For me it’s the same as 18th century children campaigning against slavery or 19th century children campaigning against the governments response to the potato famine. It might go against the government, it might upset many people but it is the right thing to do.

noblegiraffe · 17/11/2023 18:14

And maybe a political organisation encouraged them to bunk off school for the benefit of the political organisation and their parents knew nothing about it.

I'm guessing you don't know them all personally either.

But I do know kids bunk off school without their parents knowing...

OuiOuiKitty · 17/11/2023 18:19

noblegiraffe · 17/11/2023 18:14

And maybe a political organisation encouraged them to bunk off school for the benefit of the political organisation and their parents knew nothing about it.

I'm guessing you don't know them all personally either.

But I do know kids bunk off school without their parents knowing...

They went to a protest about a massacre, about millions of people being starved, 1000s of children just like them being indiscriminately murdered. They didn't go for an afternoon of shoplifting and drug taking. You are always on mumsnet talking about how shit UK schools are so you know yourself they missed feck all by going to a protest for a few hours.

ItsRainingTacos79 · 17/11/2023 18:19

Was anyone this triggered back then?

news.sky.com/story/amp/climate-change-thousands-of-children-skip-school-to-take-part-in-protests-11873455