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Conflict in the Middle East

Shocked by the racist signs at marches

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Pigeotto · 14/11/2023 07:14

Maybe I’m just severely naive but I’m honestly just shocked at the levels of racism of some of the signs at these marches. It’s just caught me really, really off guard.

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3and2ready · 23/11/2023 12:16

Desertrose2023 · 23/11/2023 06:36

Sorry but I don’t think you’re being fair. Zionism is a political ideology not a religion. There are plenty of Zionists who are not Jewish (Joe Biden - a self declared Zionist - being just one example). There are also Jews who are not Zionist. A number have been bravely protesting Israel’s actions very publically.

People can criticize political ideologies they don’t support without racist intentions even if a proportion of those who follow that ideology are of a particular religion. Would you have had an issue if @3and2ready said the man was an ‘evil’ EDL member or an ‘evil’ Socialist ? The double standard here is the constant conflation between Zionism and Judaism to censor any type of criticism about Zionism on the grounds that it’s automatically anti-Semitic.

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Thing is if you read my posts I didn’t say “ evil Zionist” as @Iwantcakeeveryday lied about. I said you can see the evil in the Zionist’s eyes. The racist man identifies as a Zionist. He is very proud of it. But as usual when posters here are losing arguments, they begin to lie and make things up.
I said you can see evil in his eyes and I stand by that.
I also said, if you have watched the videos of him hurling vile crap and Islamophobia and still think he has mental health and doesn’t mean any harm then you’re as vile and racist as he is.
Anyway, I’m glad that vile creature exposed himself for what he really is, because he won’t be walking about his hometown/city bullying Muslims anymore after the backlash he received. And he’s been arrested and dismissed from his current job because no normal human wants to be associated with racists like him.

SomeCatFromJapan · 23/11/2023 12:16

And here's hate preachers calling for the murder of Jewish people, right here in the UK:

https://twitter.com/TalkTV/status/1727642470941446295

https://twitter.com/TalkTV/status/1727642470941446295

Stomacharmeleon · 23/11/2023 12:17

@SomeCatFromJapan there were eye opening...:

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3and2ready · 23/11/2023 12:29

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You see I think it will alter his perspective. Not the racism, that’s who he is, but the self righteousness and entitled behaviour that he displayed. Don’t think he will go and viciously and repeatedly attack a member of public again like that.

3and2ready · 23/11/2023 12:44

I also think when he fully realises the reaction of the public he will stop and reconsider his life choices.
On a positive note, so many people going out of their way to go buy food from the vendor’s van to show support and that NYC doesn’t stand with racists. His business is booming!! Humanity isn’t lost, there is still hope for justice.

Xenia · 23/11/2023 13:51

The problem when it is a figute in authority - muslim preacher - however is that people come to listen and tend to trust the words said which is why when the preaching is illegal the police will need to step in

EXCLUSIVE: Antisemitic Hate Speech Calling For Jewish Deaths In Several UK Mosques Amid Israel-Hamas

EXCLUSIVE: A TalkTV investigation has unearthed footage of hate preachers in several UK mosques calling for Jewish people to be killed.Imam Ajmal Masroor: “H...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5irQUXb-1A

StarbucksSmarterSister · 23/11/2023 14:51

SomeCatFromJapan · 23/11/2023 12:13

Ireland and the Guardian not covering themselves in glory here:
https://twitter.com/aziz0nomics/status/1727652811716890798

And neither is Kay Burley:
https://twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1727648643656671316

John Aziz is a British Palestinian, btw, who is very anti Hamas and supportive of Israel.

If that quote in the Guardian is correct, it's absolutely appalling. But such people do out themselves don't they?

Iwantcakeeveryday · 23/11/2023 17:45

@3and2ready this was what you said the evil in this Zionist’s eyes.
thats worse, theres no reason to connect the fact he's evil with being zionist. you could have simply said 'man'.

Desertrose2023 · 23/11/2023 18:15

Iwantcakeeveryday · 23/11/2023 17:45

@3and2ready this was what you said the evil in this Zionist’s eyes.
thats worse, theres no reason to connect the fact he's evil with being zionist. you could have simply said 'man'.

You seem more offended by how @3and2ready described him than the filth that came out of his mouth.

good to know he’s now been arrested and charged with hate crimes.

Desertrose2023 · 23/11/2023 18:34

Iwantcakeeveryday · 23/11/2023 11:05

The vast majority of jewish people in Israel are zionist. Do you know what the word means? It doesn't seem like many people actually do.

Yes I know what it means and I stand behind what I said in my post that it is an ideology. I understand that many Jews are also Zionists but that, in and of itself, does not mean criticism of Zionism or even individual Zionists like Stuart Seldowitz automatically equates to antisemitism.

Trulywonderful · 23/11/2023 21:59

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Trulywonderful · 23/11/2023 22:01

Iwantcakeeveryday · 23/11/2023 17:45

@3and2ready this was what you said the evil in this Zionist’s eyes.
thats worse, theres no reason to connect the fact he's evil with being zionist. you could have simply said 'man'.

This

Trulywonderful · 23/11/2023 22:37

Mr Rich said: "We can't control what happens in a conflict thousands of miles away, but we can influence what happens here and how people in London respond to that.
"We can set an example and we can try and influence our own communities and wider society."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-67503062

Demonstrators protest in solidarity with Palestinians in central London, flares have been set off and flags are being waves

London hate crime: Worry over 'significant fracture' in communities

Jewish and Muslim charities say it will take a long time for communities to heal from tensions over Gaza.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-67503062

Trulywonderful · 24/11/2023 00:28

Oh I saw that earlier

Not sure the thinking behind using Just stop oli tactics. This type of stunt just just annoys the general public and loses support for a cause.

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 24/11/2023 02:11

tobeinthemaldives · 22/11/2023 16:52

Yes so it does seem a little naïve. Now, I am not of course, suggesting of course, that the poster is not genuine or Jewish but I am a little dubious at "I was there too and being Jewish was with many male Jewish protesters who were wearing their kippah. I also saw a few Orthodox Jews and a few rabbis as well."

See - I really don't think that there would have been Rabbis and orthodox Jews out on Shabbat for obvious reasons and obviously presenting as Jewish in crowds like this. I haven't seen any photos of Saturday marches with Orthodox Jews and not saying there aren't any and this didn't happen.

I have also read a few posts on other boards with "I am Jewish...but" and then follow up with some rather surprising anti-Semitic sounding comments. I haven't seen many posts where posters say " I am Muslim" for example, but I am sure there are...

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There were definitely orthodox Jewish people at the marches.
Heres one picture ( there are many) from the Times of Israel taken at the 11th November March.

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AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 24/11/2023 02:42

There has been a lot of discussion here about Zionism
Here is an article written from the standpoint of the Orthodox Jewish community on Zionism ….

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AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 24/11/2023 02:47

Actually that’s very small and difficult to read
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Girahim · 24/11/2023 08:25

You can post links you know.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 24/11/2023 08:30

Thank you @Trulywonderful