Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

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There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

So now you're going to have to deal with the fact that a non-Jewish person has said that too.

There were 764 civillians killed on 7/10, abot 50 of them were children with 14 being under 10 including 1 baby.

I doubt we will ever find out if the IDF were responsible for any of those deaths.

Yanis Varoufakis tweet. He has some interesting videos and viewpoints of the conflict, worth following on Twitter.

Noblegiraffe we can go on about what we find more barabaric and list things one by one but what is the point really. In terms of scale and length of time, Israel wins. What is absolutely horrific about the barbaric acts of the IDF is that USA and UK supports it and funds it whilst the rest of the world is in despair at the cruelty of it all. People like you , a teacher of all things supports what Isreal is doing to civilians. Absolutely shocking.

People like you , a teacher of all things supports what Isreal is doing to civilians. Absolutely shocking.

Gosh, does saying that the terrorist attack Hamas committed on 7th October couldn't have been more barbaric mean that I "support what Israel is doing to civilians"?

You've made a logic fail there, mate.

Is this how you lot think? Do you think the converse is true too? That you don't support what Israel is doing to civilians therefore you cannot think what Hamas did was shockingly and appallingly barbaric?

Is that why some of you seek to minimise what they did?

Who has said what Hamas did isn't barbaric?

Oh the ones who instead of condemning what Hamas did as barbaric and instead seek to minimise what they did by denying rape or blaming the IDF give off those vibes.

Perhaps they could clarify.

Can you actually answer the persons question?
Because I’m also interested to know now.

Well the IDF do have blame. Are you denying that?

Nobody has said that. I think what @feralunderclass was saying is that it is all barbaric, what Hamas did, what Israel have done and continue to do. That she doesn't have a scale of barbarism like some people seem to where what Hamas did was the worst thing in the world and everything else fades to obscurity or is forgotten about.

Nobody supports what Hamas did noblegiraffe, however you have on threads stated’ oh but what choice has Israel got?’ You spend hours on here criticising people who are desperate for a ceasefire.

I've heard that the IDF likely killed Israeli civilians in the fight against Hamas. I think this is true.

I've also seen people try to amplify the number of civilians killed by the IDF by making erroneous claims such as an Apache helicopter killed people fleeing the music festival.

I know that there's a certain type of person who would seek to maximise the number killed by the IDF while minimising those killed by Hamas. I've seen a lot of it on social media, and would be suspicious of the agenda of people who talk about these numbers.

Oh you are wrong, there are definitely people who support what Hamas did.

I think people who call for a ceasefire from Israel while ignoring what Hamas did, or ignore the hostage situation are naive at best. We would all like the war in Gaza to stop, but you can't only make that demand to one side.

I'm still not sure what choice Israel has other than to go after Hamas, given the stated intention of Hamas to repeat the 7th October atrocities a million times, and that the people who committed those terrible atrocities have to see some sort of justice. That doesn't mean that I support what they are currently doing in Gaza.

Exactly.

And the way many of the Israeli victims have been named and their photos and stories shared in Western media - while the thousands of dead Gazan children remain unnamed.

Clearly we’re being expected to identify with and value one group over the other.

I’m neither Israeli nor Palestinian, Jewish nor Muslim. So I don’t value one over the other. I just see terrified, orphaned, maimed and traumatised children who have been brutally attacked by selfish, violent, narcissistic adults. And I don’t subscribe to the view that one is more moral and civilised than the other - not after what they’ve done and continue to do.

I hope that you will join us then Noblegiraffe and the rest of the world and ask for a ceasefire. It is the best way to save the remaining hostages and the civilian population as well as our own humanity. UN have stated that Gaza is starving. Terrorism won’t be stopped like this.

The world should be outraged at what Hamas did.

The world should be equally outraged at the way the Palestinians have been treated for 75 years. Brutally oppressed, imprisoned, raped, children tortured, innocent civilians shot dead, racist taunts, bombings, denied human rights, homes and land forcibly stolen, olive orchards burned down, treated like animals.

And all this going on 75 years.

@noblegiraffe you say "I'm still not sure what choice Israel has other than to go after Hamas...". I think most of us want Hamas ousted. But the general consensus among the security community outside Israel is that this approach will not defeat Hamas, and that it's not possible to defeat a terrorist organisation through military force alone. So countless people will die and Israel will still be at risk of Hamas or its successor. The other suggested approaches put forward are not "quick fixes" and will require international involvement and political will, but surely if Israel's end game is peace and security it should be discussing these?

Even the BBC is taking its casualty figures from Hamas-run health services and presenting them as fact.

If you’re saying that the Palestinians haven’t been brainwashed by Hamas, that’s very worrying, when you see the pictures of them spitting on the naked, murdered body of the young music festival woman as she was paraded through the streets by Hamas. If what you’re saying is true, then rather than being brain washed poor Palestinians, they are evil people taking part in a savage act of their own free will.

@Livelovebehappy I wasn't saying that at all.
And I can't see how you came to that conclusion from my post either

Palestinians aren't being brainwashed, they are being murdered in their thousands.

How can you make such a blanket statement about "Palestinians?". Do you think all the babies and children are evil people using their free will? They are Palestinians. You are really letting your anti-Pal mask slip.

Its obvious what you were meaning @Parkingt111 .

But people with an agenda will always twist things to their advantage....