Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

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There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

And of course Hamas and their Palestinian supporters aren’t extremist racist murdering liars too. Oh, wait…..they are extremists (terrorists), they are racists (antisemitic), and murderers (October 7th), and have been proven liars multiple times. But guess you’re saying that’s okay 🙄

No, both sides have appalling leaderships. It’s just that one side tries to present itself as “the only civilised democracy in the ME” and “the most moral army in the world”. Not so I am afraid.

And the more lies that are told, the more difficult it becomes to know what to believe.

And the other side tries to present itself as "freedom fighters". Not so I am afraid.

Yet people lap it up.

It's not freedom they want - it's the genocide of all Jews everywhere and the eradication of the state of Israel. 7th of October was just a rehearsal. Their words, not mine.

And with regards to misinformation - both sides are at it all the time. It's a propaganda war and Hamas are sadly winning it.

Can you provide an official source for where “the other side” want to see genocide of all Jews? The 2017 Hamas charter says no such thing.

It's not the genocide of Jews everywhere they want, please stop this false narrative. Regardless, they are a terrorist group. I'm going to be honest and say that after the horrendous unnecessary deaths and destruction we've seen, it's hard not to feel that Israel are the real terrorists here. The aim does not seem to be to eradicate Hamas, it is to cause death to the Palestinians. Combined with their track record of appalling treatment of Palestinians over the last 75 years and the actual words of the government it very much comes across as genocidal intent. If you gave someone who had zero knowledge of the situation the stats of deaths, homes destroyed, injuries of two sides, then wrote down what the government's have said, and asked them to identify which side are the terrorist group, I think the vast majority of people would choose Israel. And I don't see it as a 'propaganda war', it's just cold hard facts. In this day and age of social media it's harder for any government to make statements and people just accept it as the truth. The images of Gaza will haunt people for years to come, and we should never let it be forgotten 💔

Well said @feralunderclass 👏

It's the same source that speaks of Hamas beheading babies, babies baked in ovens etc etc.

Of course the Palestinians want the genicide of Jews. They don’t want a two state situation. They openly say they want Jews wiped out of Israel. And the vast majority do not and will not support Palestine over Israel, no matter how much you twist the facts to meet your own narrative. If Hamas want to sort this without the bombing, then stop hiding behind their people, using them as shields. The Palestinians are also victims of Hamas, and need to be outing them. Their deaths are absolutely the fault of the cowardly savages Hamas. Fact.

No one doubts that Hamas are terrorists. To their own people as well as others. I believe they may have started with a genuine freedom ideology but these groups almost always get taken over by gangsters and criminals.

And I believe that the same has happened to Israel.

The Palestinians deaths are the fault of Hamas

No. The innocent Palestinians deaths are the fault of the IDF who are killing them.

Hamas and the IDF are both guilty - not the Israeli and Palestinian people.

What their official charter says and what their leaders say and do are very different things, as you well know. Unless you think calling the 7th of October a rehearsal is them saying "we just want to live in peace". Them and their supporters have called for global Jihad and Intifada more than once in recent months. My child's primary school had to double up their already doubled up security because of the calls for global Jihad.

I realise I'm now inevitably going to get a lesson in what the literal meanings of Jihad and Intifada are, but we all know that in the context of the Palestinians they have different meanings from the literal ones. Although I'm sure you'll plead ignorance and claim that's not the case at all. And then you'll keep spreading your hatred of Israel and your support for the eradication of the state. That's what you're supporting by not denouncing Hamas.

Where does it say "Palestinians want the genocide of Jews"? On whose behalf are you speaking?
ETA: I don't think I'm "twisting any facts". I don't have a narrative other than to stand up for human rights.

This.

I agree there is alot of misinformation on both sides but I don't believe that all those who right now criticise israel for the brutal sustained attack on the palestininans do it because they have been brainwashed by Hamas propaganda

what about all the countries that voted for a ceasefire? Could they have been duped by Hamas propaganda

What about MSM? That has been exposing many of the Israeli government and IDF lies
Have they also been taken in by Hamas propaganda?

But I have seen a speech by Fathi Hammad actually saying they [Hamas] use Palestinian woman, children and the elderly as a human shield against Israeli bombs, and praising these killed innocents as martyrs.

Another Hamas spokesman, or it might be Fathi Hammad again, has actually said that the people are not Hamas’s responsibility to feed etc because as they are occupied it is all up to the UN. But Hamas are the people’s authority.

I have posted copies of these speeches before. I don’t have time to find and copy and paste them here again, but they are on a site called Memri which posts video clips of people speaking together with translations.

Of course the Israelis relentlessly bombing and bombing a densely packed territory where the people have nowhere to go is the fault of the Israelis, but Hamas chooses how it uses its people towards rousing the world’s sympathy for the poor terrorised people, and the attack on innocent Israelis on Oct 7 could not have been more barbaric, full of intentional torture, the taking of hostages who were not soldiers and even included babies and women - and this horror was perpetrated against some of the most peace promoting Israelis possible.

Hamas wanted this response surely?

It seems Israel also wants this opportunity to smash Hamas and Gaza, and there is all the background going back decades, but I do think you can blame Hamas to large extent for the dreadful consequences to their own people.

And it's not just the bigger lies, it's sometimes the little things that it makes no sense to lie about

So for example when Regev was questioned about the images of the stipped blindfolded men, one of the things he said was it's the middle east and its warmer climate so its fine
But everyone knows that it's really cold In Gaza right now and MSM have reported on the weather conditions
Why lie about something that is blatantly untrue? And when these lies build up, it means many will then discredit those things that are true

@ScrollingLeaves
Thank you.
Hamas is bad for Israelis and for Palestinians. But no one has argued otherwise.

What I object to is the narrative that all Palestinians voted for Hamas, all Palestinians are animals and vermin, all Palestinians support Hamas in wanting genocide (so must be killed first), Israel has done nothing wrong except try to exist, the IDF is the most moral army in the world, Israel isn’t hurting anyone in Gaza except a few collaterals, God gave all this land (and more!) to his chosen people.

And any Israeli or Jewish person who says otherwise is a far-left self-hater that must lose their job and/or be arrested, physically threatened and harassed.

@Parkingt111 Regev is a disgrace and also not the clever spin doctor he thinks he is. Can you believe this is a man who once styled himself as a socialist? Hopefully his time will come as quickly as Netanyahu's does.

And any Palestinian person who fights back or tries to physically resist the relentless racist illegal violent progressive occupation is a genocidal terrorist and is arrested and often detained for years without charge.

There is such anger and pain on both sides that has been exploited and magnified now into such extreme hatred, violence and killing. One side with a lot more money and power than the other, yet claiming the moral high ground, and I’m sorry but that particular lie really boils my piss.

There will have to be a lot of turning the cheek from BOTH sides if this is ever to end.

but Hamas chooses how it usesits people towards rousing the world’s sympathy for the poor terrorised people, and the attack on innocent Israelis on Oct 7 could not have been more barbaric, full of intentional torture, the taking of hostages who were not soldiers and even included babies and women - and this horror was perpetrated against some of the most peace promoting Israelis possible

What do you mean by this @ScrollingLeaves that "Hamas chooses its people towards rousing the world's sympathy...?"

And I've seen it so many times here that "October 7th couldn't have been more barbaric". I'm not saying this to be goady at all, but why do people think this? I can think of a million ways it could have been more barbaric. That is not to say I agree with it, I don't at all, but it's like this weird shock that something like this could possibly happen to an Israeli (Jewish?) person? I'm asking a genuine question.

And I've seen it so many times here that "October 7th couldn't have been more barbaric". I'm not saying this to be goady at all, but why do people think this? I can think of a million ways it could have been more barbaric.

I'm finding it hard to think of anything more barbaric than the triptych of rape, torture and mutilation, but OK would be keen to hear of the million ways?