Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

[whatswrongwiththeworldddd]

There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

This thread is about misinformation.

Yes, I'm aware. I'm asking people to please disprove it because I don't want it to be true. If it is, things are about to get a whole lot worse than they already are in Gaza 🥴 I'm hoping someone on here has heard something that confirms it's just a rumour. I've mentioned several times that it's a rumour and that nothing is confirmed.

I honestly just want an answer, and I want that answer to be it's not true

Searching 200 bodies then I can see loads of comments on Twitter about it. Guess it’ll have to be confirmed. Doubt very much it’s all the hostages tho. Wouldn’t make sense to have them all in the same place

Ok, i get that. I don't know how anyone here could confirm or deny it, i just think posting rumours doesn't help anyone.

Critics reject Israeli claim al-Shifa Hospital used as Hamas command centre https://www.aljazeera.com/program/inside-story/2023/11/16/critics-reject-israeli-claim-al-shifa-hospital-used-as-hamas-command-centre

Israel has long accused Hamas of using the al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza as a cover for its military operations.
Israeli forces have raided the al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City for the second consecutive day, following days of encircling the largest medical facility in Gaza.

They claim to have found what they call “grab bags” containing weapons and uniforms belonging to Hamas fighters.

But many observers have questioned what Israeli forces presented as evidence.

And there are fears that with the Israeli military in sole control of the operation, it could fabricate evidence to bolster its allegations.

Several experts have also argued that attacking hospitals – especially those treating critically ill patients and babies – could be a war crime as defined under international law.

Presenter: James Bays

Guests:

Erik Fosse – CEO of the Norwegian Aid Committee; has worked as a surgeon in Gaza during several wars since 1994

A Kayum Ahmed – special adviser on the right to health at Human Rights Watch

Thomas MacManus – Director of the International State Crime Initiative, Queen Mary University of London

Thanks, I'm not on Twitter. I don't think it would be all hostages, but if even "just" a few are, all hell is going to break loose on top of all the hell that has already broken loose.

Sorry, I'll stop posting about it now as I'm being told off for spreading misinformation. I'm really not trying to though, I'm trying to verify. Hopefully the majority of people on here understood that

Did those critics read the 2015 Amnesty International report?

Yeah tho not sure more can be destroyed in Gaza to be honest after this month

this is from bbc

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says there were "strong indications" hostages held by Hamas had been at Gaza's Al-Shifa Hospital.

so probably she wasn’t the only one and few more hostages might have been recovered

@Humdingerydoo It's OK. Please god it isn't true.

Im not telling you off its thats for me. Post whatever you like. Im just saying its not wise to post rumours.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · Today 21:04

A quick google search will show you not all missile rockets look the same. I highly doubt Hamas would have the same level of weapons used by the IDF.

Yes, according to this New York Times investigation, there would indeed seem to be differences between Israeli and Hamas missiles.

It is hardly surprising when Israel has a fully equipped modern army helped by the USA.
www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-al-shifa-hospital.html

“But at least three of the projectiles that struck it appear to have been Israeli munitions, according to pictures of weapons fragments collected and verified by The New York Times and analyzed by experts.”

and

“Marc Garlasco, a former Pentagon senior intelligence analyst, identified the projectile as the shell of an Israeli illumination artillery round commonly used to identify targets at night. Richard Stevens, a former explosive ordnance disposal soldier with the British Army, also identified it as an illumination roundand noted the absence of a high-explosive detonation upon the shell’s impact.”
and
“Amid the debris were two metal fins that Mr. Garlasco identified as the tails of 120-millimeter tank shells of a type used only by Israeli forces, not by Palestinian militants, who don’t have tanks”

Perhaps we should ask those experts to analyse the rockets in the picture rather than going by someone's 'reckon'?

If this is true why do they continue doing it! The few countries that might have been supporting them … are going to stop trusting and supporting them because they can’t believe a single word that is coming out from Israel!

Ohlalalalala · Today 22:22
Re:”Critics reject Israeli claim al-Shifa Hospital used as Hamas command centre”

The BBC Gaza reporter Jeremy Bowen was speaking on the Ten O’clock News tonight. He says you see kalashnikovs everywhere in the Middle East, there is nothing necessarily surprising about those they showed. He wondered if the hospital could even have had them from a small security decision.

Security division

Here's a very interesting long and detailed analysis by the academic Dr Marc Owen Jones, about what's happening right now. Some excerpts (highlights mine):

Fact or Fiction: Israel needs fake nurses to justify killing Gaza babies

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2023/11/17/fact-or-fiction-israel-needs-fake-nurses-to-justify-killing-gaza-babies

Israel knows it risks losing global support over its slaughter of children. So it’s turning to social media disinformation that’s sloppy but often effective.

In Gaza, a child is killed every 10 minutes. Since October 7, Israel has killed more than 4,000 children. Now, premature babies at Gaza’s al-Shifa Hospital are dying because the institution is out of power after over a month of Israel’s siege, and so is unable to operate incubators.

Israel knows it risks losing international support for its ongoing slaughter of children.

As a result, Israel’s propaganda and disinformation machine is finding new ways to justify the killing of children and the bombing of medical facilities.

Usually, Israel’s first response to accusations of atrocities is denial. When that fails, the second strategy is to blame Hamas or other Palestinian armed groups for Palestinian deaths.

It hasn’t given up on those strategies, but is also trying to directly link Palestinian children to Hamas, and thereby seek to portray them – and the places where they are sheltering – as legitimate targets.

But spreading disinformation and then deleting it has become routine, raising the question: Why is the Israeli military’s propaganda so sloppy? After all, doesn’t Israel risk losing credibility this way?

No, because the benefits outweigh the costs. The old adage, “A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes”, tells us most of what we need to know about propaganda. The key is not truthfulness, but rather speed and primacy.

Controlling the narrative means getting information out faster than your enemy, and making that information sensational – regardless of whether it is factual. One study showed that 86 percent of people do not fact-check news they see on social media.

Once something false goes viral, the people who see it are unlikely to see the fact-checked version. The audience for such videos aren’t astute fact-checkers. In Israel’s case, large numbers of the audience are English-speaking, Western viewers who won’t catch fake accents and have no reason to believe such information is false.

It’s important to remember, propaganda does not need to be sophisticated to be effective – just fast and sensationalist. Social media is perfect for this.

Hate-filled, Mein Kampf-reading children
Beyond blaming Hamas, a more sinister stage in the legitimisation of Israel’s killing of children is emerging – the attempt to smear Palestinian children as recipients of evil, anti-Semitic Hamas propaganda. That Palestinian children are only trained to become ‘terrorists’.

On November 5, Israel’s official Arabic account tweeted a cartoon showing that Israel brings its babies up with ‘love’, while Hamas fills babies in Gaza with ‘hate’.

Then, on Monday, the official Foreign Ministry-run Israel account claimed on X that the Israeli military had found a copy of Hitler’s ‘Mein Kampf’ in a child’s room in Gaza. Pristine, with perfect notes and highlights, the ‘finding’ of the book was an attempt to bolster the narrative that Palestinian children are being filled with hate, are beyond redemption and are thus valid targets for killing.

Mein Kampf represents the epitome of anti-Semitism. It is Hitler’s autobiography. The significance of this will not be lost on many in the West, often the intended audiences for Israeli propaganda. The use of Mein Kampf, a copy of which was brandished theatrically by Israeli President Isaac Herzog, demonstrates that Israel is trying to portray older Palestinian children as brainwashed anti-Semites – it’s a simple tool to push that narrative.

But now that Israel can no longer deny that it is killing Palestinian babies, it is trying to legitimise their murder. In his work on ‘image restoration theory’, William Benoit calls this ‘reducing offensiveness’. Put simply, you blame the victim, or make the victim seem deserving of their suffering.

As the death toll rises, so do the outlandish attempts to shift blame on innocent victims.

But no amount of manufactured videos or planted “evidence” can obscure the truth. Children are dying by the hundreds in Gaza, their blood spilled by Israel’s bombs, bullets and siege.

The author explains excellently well how Israel is trying to keep control of the false narrative regarding Palestine. I urge everyone to read the whole piece as I copied parts only of the analysis.

I've been so surprised at just how well their sloppy propaganda works. I live in a country that has been pro palestine for decades, the vast majority of people are sceptical of Israel, Israel have tried to smear my country with lies because they are well aware of our stance. Reading mumsnet has been an education, I had no idea that people swallow everything Israel say, listening to some posters here is like listening to the bonkers Israeli ambassadors and spokespeople that most people in my country roll their eyes and laugh at. It's crazy how well even poorly thought out propaganda works with the right audience.

That's it isn't it. The key to a good propaganda working is the right audience.

Reuters, AP, CNN and NYT photojournalists arrived at border alongside Hamas terrorists, documenting murder of Israeli civilians, lynching of soldier and kidnappings to Gaza; HonestReporting questions whether they coordinated with Hamas and whether their employers had foreknowledge of the attack

www.ynetnews.com/article/byf1woyma

https://www.cnn.com/videos/tech/2023/11/17/us-hate-groups-antisemitism-osullivan-ac360-vpx.cnn

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Humdingerydoo

Has anyone heard anything about Zaka in the hospital? It's sounding like they might have found a lot more than just Yehudit Weiss' remains”

All of the hostages will be dead before this is brought to an end. Netanyahu doesn’t care. It serves his purposes.