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Conflict in the Middle East

Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 13/11/2023 17:44

There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 17/11/2023 09:53

That's awful behaviour

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Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 09:54

"Video is an especially effective propaganda medium. From October 7 onwards, social media channels have been flooded with clips posted by high-follower accounts linked to Hamas. Some of the individuals spreading this content present as “journalists,” even though they’re known to have ingratiated themselves with Hamas’ leadership. In one notorious case, a CNN freelancer posted a photo of himself holding a grenade while he accompanied Hamas on the 10/7 rampage. "

https://quillette.com/2023/11/16/hamas-cheerleaders/

Hamas Cheerleaders Are All Over Instagram

Since 10/7, young social-media users have been inundated with memes that present terrorists as social justice champions.

https://quillette.com/2023/11/16/hamas-cheerleaders

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 17/11/2023 10:33

Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 09:54

"Video is an especially effective propaganda medium. From October 7 onwards, social media channels have been flooded with clips posted by high-follower accounts linked to Hamas. Some of the individuals spreading this content present as “journalists,” even though they’re known to have ingratiated themselves with Hamas’ leadership. In one notorious case, a CNN freelancer posted a photo of himself holding a grenade while he accompanied Hamas on the 10/7 rampage. "

https://quillette.com/2023/11/16/hamas-cheerleaders/

What's the name of this CNN freelancer?

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wyndon · 17/11/2023 10:45

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 17/11/2023 10:33

What's the name of this CNN freelancer?

Hassan Eslaiah

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/09/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-hamas-photographers.html

ScrollingLeaves · 17/11/2023 10:49

Ohlalalalala · Today 07:20

The author explains excellently well how Israel is trying to keep control of the false narrative regarding Palestine. I urge everyone to read the whole piece as I copied parts only of the analysis.

I’ll go back and read the whole piece, but thank you for copying parts out so it is more immediate. I would have missed understanding how even sloppy propaganda can work.

This morning I saw a statement on Al Jazeera from a Hamas spokesman where he showed a still of an Israeli soldier going into the Al Shifa hospital with a box on his back with a label on one corner ( not the large medical supply labels), then he points out a photo where you see the same box with the same label in the room with the allegedly discovered guns and tote bags. He says the IDF planted it.

Who knows, but what happens is that you eventually just blank-out from confusion. This is desired effect.

I presume someone could do a check on the markings of both the box in the room and the one on the soldier’s bag, presuming those images are also the verified ones.

ScrollingLeaves · 17/11/2023 10:50

I meant he says the IDF planted the guns etc the box was one they brought in.

Ohlalalalala · 17/11/2023 10:54

OuiOuiKitty · 17/11/2023 07:41

I've been so surprised at just how well their sloppy propaganda works. I live in a country that has been pro palestine for decades, the vast majority of people are sceptical of Israel, Israel have tried to smear my country with lies because they are well aware of our stance. Reading mumsnet has been an education, I had no idea that people swallow everything Israel say, listening to some posters here is like listening to the bonkers Israeli ambassadors and spokespeople that most people in my country roll their eyes and laugh at. It's crazy how well even poorly thought out propaganda works with the right audience.

I guess you're from Ireland or South/ Latin America? I am intentionally not mentioning Muslim and/ or Arab countries for obvious reasons.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 17/11/2023 10:55

Thanks @wyndon. I can't open the article without paying a subscription to read it.

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OuiOuiKitty · 17/11/2023 10:57

Ohlalalalala · 17/11/2023 10:54

I guess you're from Ireland or South/ Latin America? I am intentionally not mentioning Muslim and/ or Arab countries for obvious reasons.

Yeah, I'm in Ireland where the narrative is very different to mumsnet.

Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 10:59

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 17/11/2023 10:55

Thanks @wyndon. I can't open the article without paying a subscription to read it.

That is odd it opened for me fine without subscription

Ohlalalalala · 17/11/2023 11:01

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 17/11/2023 08:51

That's it isn't it. The key to a good propaganda working is the right audience.

True.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 17/11/2023 11:03

@Trulywonderful This is what comes up

Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine
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Ohlalalalala · 17/11/2023 11:05

ScrollingLeaves · 17/11/2023 10:49

Ohlalalalala · Today 07:20

The author explains excellently well how Israel is trying to keep control of the false narrative regarding Palestine. I urge everyone to read the whole piece as I copied parts only of the analysis.

I’ll go back and read the whole piece, but thank you for copying parts out so it is more immediate. I would have missed understanding how even sloppy propaganda can work.

This morning I saw a statement on Al Jazeera from a Hamas spokesman where he showed a still of an Israeli soldier going into the Al Shifa hospital with a box on his back with a label on one corner ( not the large medical supply labels), then he points out a photo where you see the same box with the same label in the room with the allegedly discovered guns and tote bags. He says the IDF planted it.

Who knows, but what happens is that you eventually just blank-out from confusion. This is desired effect.

I presume someone could do a check on the markings of both the box in the room and the one on the soldier’s bag, presuming those images are also the verified ones.

Me too! I was wondering how wss it possible for so many people to fall for that sloppy propaganda. Now I know!

I found the article so eye opening that I decided to start a thread about it:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/4944590-fact-or-fiction-israel-needs-fake-nurses-to-justify-killing-gaza-babies-opinion-piece

"Fact or Fiction: Israel needs fake nurses to justify killing Gaza babies" (Opinion Piece) | Mumsnet

I posted this article earlier on a thread about misinformation, but thought it important enough to warrant having its own thread as it can help people...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/4944590-fact-or-fiction-israel-needs-fake-nurses-to-justify-killing-gaza-babies-opinion-piece

Ohlalalalala · 17/11/2023 11:06

OuiOuiKitty · 17/11/2023 10:57

Yeah, I'm in Ireland where the narrative is very different to mumsnet.

🇮🇪 ❤️

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 17/11/2023 11:37

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wyndon · 17/11/2023 11:42

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 17/11/2023 10:55

Thanks @wyndon. I can't open the article without paying a subscription to read it.

https://archive.ph/edQYa

ScrollingLeaves · 17/11/2023 11:44

What happened to cause the newly created separate thread, which posted the article by Marc Owen Jones about propaganda, to be deleted for breaking talk guidelines?

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 17/11/2023 11:44

Thank you @wyndon this one keeps asking me for a CAPTCHA. Which I've done but it will not open the page.

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 17/11/2023 11:45

ScrollingLeaves · 17/11/2023 11:44

What happened to cause the newly created separate thread, which posted the article by Marc Owen Jones about propaganda, to be deleted for breaking talk guidelines?

I was thinking the same thing. 🙄

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Trulywonderfulworld · 17/11/2023 12:42

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This message has been withdrawn at the poster's request

No I wasn’t the one who mentioned chocolates.
I haven’t written anything about chocolates.
Your entire post is accusing the wrong person.
Please post this post you are talking about or ask MMHQ to delete this accusation

Trulywonderfulworld · 17/11/2023 12:45

Trulywonderful · 16/11/2023 22:12

Nice try but making me out to be a cold monster doesn't really work here

If someone posts something nasty I call them up on it

If someone posts something to ridiculous for a sensible answer I am going to take the piss out of it

That is Truly and I don't change. So don't quote me if you don't like my responses. It is really that simple. IGNORE ME

Actually they posted it to me @Trulywonderful
I have asked for the accusation to be deleted.

Trulywonderful · 17/11/2023 12:50

Trulywonderfulworld · 17/11/2023 12:45

Actually they posted it to me @Trulywonderful
I have asked for the accusation to be deleted.

Told you this was goto get confusing😂

Sorry you got the stick for me taking the piss out of box comparison arguments

We are definitely all getting conflict board bongo advent calendars though. I will save you one

Ohlalalalala · 17/11/2023 13:40

ScrollingLeaves · 17/11/2023 11:44

What happened to cause the newly created separate thread, which posted the article by Marc Owen Jones about propaganda, to be deleted for breaking talk guidelines?

I just found out! I hope @MNHQ is not censoring articles written by academics now.

There were no broken guidelines. I saw so many threads with shady articles, inflammatory language and fake news being left.

I am hoping it's a mistake and that it will be reinstated shortly.

wyndon · 17/11/2023 13:45

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 17/11/2023 11:44

Thank you @wyndon this one keeps asking me for a CAPTCHA. Which I've done but it will not open the page.

The parts about Hassan Eslaiah:

It said one of the photographers, Hassan Eslaiah, took pictures of a house burning in Kibbutz Kfar Azza, a target of the deadly attack by militants, while two others documented Hamas fighters transporting kidnapped Israelis back to Gaza. These harrowing images were all published by The Associated Press, as was a Reuters photo of a mob carrying the body of an Israeli soldier.

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The Associated Press said it, too, had no advance knowledge of the attack. But it said in a statement that it was no longer working with Mr. Eslaiah, who filed the earliest and most extensive photos of the attack.
There were other red flags about Mr. Eslaiah. He posed for a picture being kissed by Yahya Sinwar, a Hamas leader who masterminded the attack. Amit Segal, an Israeli journalist, posted video on X, formerly known as Twitter, that he claimed showed Mr. Eslaiah riding in Israel on a motorcycle while carrying a hand grenade.
Mr. Eslaiah confirmed in an interview that he had been given a ride back to Gaza from Israel but said he was not the person carrying the grenade. He said he had no advance knowledge of the attack and had no links to Hamas, despite the photo with Mr. Sinwar. “I am very worried and scared,” he said.
Mr. Eslaiah suggested there was a double standard, noting that Israeli journalists had accompanied the Israel Defense Forces into Gaza to cover their ground operation. “Why are we not allowed, and they are allowed?” he said.
In a statement, CNN, which has also employed Mr. Eslaiah, said, “While we have not at this time found reason to doubt the journalistic accuracy of the work he has done for us, we have decided to suspend all ties with him.”