Why was my thread on a children’s art display in London taken down?

[Mulligan1789]

I posted a link about a children’s art display by Gazan children that was taken down - saying people could sign it.
does anyone know why it was taken down? I was just trying to post something about a small gesture people could make.

I think there are lots of indications that the current Israeli actions may be designed to wipe out Palestine, most people know that dont they? I didnt make reference to this anywhere in my post in either direction however

Your post comes across as if you are being snidey and sarcastic to me, not sure why you feel the need to be so hostile and aggressive.

This is from the article I quote on the other thread, from the JC:

"Crossing Borders - A Festival of Plates was designed by pupils at two United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) schools in Gaza and placed at the entrance to the children’s outpatients department.

IMPACT-se, an NGO dedicated to the prevention of radicalisation of children, produced a report last year that was critical of UNRWA, which runs 370 schools for 320,000 Palestinian pupils across the Gaza Strip, the West Bank and Jerusalem.

It concluded that textbooks within the curriculum, set by the Hamas-led Palestinian National Authority (PA) have “consistently shown a systematic insertion of violence, martyrdom, overt antisemitism, and jihad across all grades and subjects, with the proliferation of extreme nationalism and Islamist ideologies throughout”.

The damning study said the curriculum promoted “rejection of the possibility of peace with Israel and the complete omission of any historical Jewish presence in the modern-day territories of Israel and the PA”.

UK Lawyers For Israel (UKLFI), which complained to the hospital about the exhibition, has raised concerns that the children from the schools involved - Beit Lahia Girls’ School and Jabalia Prep Boys’ A School - have been “indoctrinated” by Hamas ideology. Hamas, which is committed to the obliteration of Israel, has been designated a terrorist group by countries around the world."

The level of Hamas-apologism on Mumsnet is staggering.

Which website is that from?

Its this article, I posted it on the other thread and thought thats why OP withdrew the thread

https://www.thejc.com/news/news/london-hospital-removes-gazan-artwork-after-patients-complain-5H0NiFh91QBfFb3Tt3piL2

"Back in London, students at the CCHS chose 21 images to transfer on to ceramic plates that they had produced as part of pottery classes and after-school activities. Some showed Palestinians carrying water jars, baking bread and milling lentils, beans and chickpeas. Others showed fishermen with their catch, workers harvesting olives and children playing with marbles.Steel said: "It was a such a positive project for so many young people, children from different communities, who all had difficult times, coming together and supporting one another. That's what it was like." "https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/palestine-gaza-children-artwork-removed-hospital-looks-new-home

Are you trying to say that it's ok to put up art that denies the existence of Israel?

The people who put them up should have thought about it before doing so. The other plates could have stayed - it wasn't who made them that was a problem, it was what a couple of them depicted.

"But a Freedom of Information Act request by a dogged questioner has finally forced the hospital – after months of avoidance – to admit that it has not received a single complaint from Jewish patients. Hundreds of complaints were made about the removal of the artwork, but it has still not been restored"

"The information requested by Liam O’Hare was provided by the hospital only after an intervention by the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO), the public body responsible for enforcing freedom of information rights. The full response reveals that the only complaint the hospital received about the artwork being in place was from the right-wing ‘UK Lawyers for Israel’ (UKLFI) lobby group."

https://skwawkbox.org/2023/06/15/foi-reveals-hospital-that-took-down-gaza-kids-art-had-received-zero-patient-complaints/

Yet its OK for so many isralis to denu yhe existence of palestine. How many times have they implied that there was no palestine.
Putting up a Palestinian flag is not supportive if hamas nor does it deny the existence of Israel.

“The olive branch is the symbol of peace and is used to express the wish for an independent Palestinian state.” - they found this offensive and hurtful!
I wonder how hurtful it is for the millions of Palestinians who can see their history being erased

Anything that suggests Palestinians are part of the human race seems to be perceived as a threat to UK Lawyers for Israel.

Please remind me where I said it's ok for anyone to deny the existence of Palestine? Or the right for it to exist.

One of the plates said that the Israeli coast is a part of Palestine. THAT is problematic. Not some olive branch. Israel also uses olive branches as a symbol of peace.

Saying Israel belongs to Palestine is not ok. That's denying the right for Israel to exist. That's the problem here.

They could've removed the descriptions for the plates and maybe even edited them. The artwork itself did not need to be removed

"One of the plates said that the Israeli coast is a part of Palestine. THAT is problematic. Not some olive branch. Israel also uses olive branches as a symbol of peace." -@Humdingerydoo

A picture of Israeli coast is not problematic. The fact that other people were displaced from that same coast by virtue of the fact they were not Jewish IS problematic, and is what lies at the heart of this conflict.

That decision was up to them, not me or anyone else 🤦🏻‍♀️ They chose to remove them after rightful concerns were raised.

I'm sure you'd be outraged if there was art up in a hospital of a map of the ME where Palestine and Gaza were a part of Israel. So not sure why you disagree with people getting upset when it was there other way around

Are you saying Israel shouldn't exist? I don't know how else to interpret that.

Have you ever been to Haifa? Israeli coastal town full of Muslims, Christians, Druze, Jews, Bahá'í. So stop pretending Israel is just Jewish. It isn't. It's multicultural. There have always been Jews in Israel. Always. They also have a right to live there

@Humdingerydoo
No, what I'm saying is that Palestinian children should not have to deny the facts of their history simply because it makes Israel sympathizers uncomfortable to have to remember the crimes committed in the name of establishing a Jewish-majority state.

Ah, so it’s totally acceptable to deny and misrepresent the “facts of history” for one particular group of people, whilst insisting upon acknowledgment of the “facts of history” for another. Wonder if this much twisting is actually physically painful.

This. It’s pretty obvious.

I wasn't accusing you personally. You responded to my original post so I thought to inform you. If you don't want to be informed don't respond to my post.

Also yes I would have a problem if gaza was described as part of Israel. Just like the many palestinain have an issue to illegal settlements and being pushed out of what was their land abd then never having a right to return to it. Yet Jewish people from around the world can live in Israel eveb if they have no connection to it.
Once again this art didn't need to be removed the descriptions could've been edited/removed. It's censorship of anything that gives Palestians a voice even if it simply a painting of olives.

Oh here we go!

Once you don't have a reasonable agreement then you resort to calling someone a racist. None of the painting of women, fishing, olive branches or the Palestinian flag was racist.

When that voice says "Israel is actually Palestine" maybe that particular voice should be censored. It wasn't "simply a painting of olives". You're being so utterly disingenuous it's unreal.

@Humdingerydoo @25milesfromhome
What do you suggest Palestinian children should learn about their own history in school? Should they be taught the Israeli narrative: you are not a real people, you don't exist, go to another Arab country or Muslim country. You have Jew-hating DNA in your blood and have no reason to be upset that your grandparents were expelled from their lands. The country that's been dropping bombs on you and military occupying your people is gentle and just wants peace.
Yeah, I'm sure they'll buy that.

Maybe the solution to peace in the region is to be a bit more honest with Israeli school children about the losses another nation endured in the name of a Jewish-majority state.

Tha painting did not say anything at all! It was a picture of a man fishing. Get rid of the description which again I don't think the children had written

They should be taught the actual history. The Israeli narrative isn't "you are not a real people, you don't exist, go to another Arab country or Muslim country. You have Jew-hating DNA in your blood and have no reason to be upset that your grandparents were expelled from their lands. The country that's been dropping bombs on you and military occupying your people is gentle and just wants peace." That's your narrative.

They should be taught there was an area called Palestine and it was full of people of all religions and due to various wars the make-up of the people continually changed. Now it's several different states and hopefully we can work towards Palestine being an official state too. Or something along those lines. It doesn't have to be "hate all the Jews", you know?

I'd really like to see your proof that all schools in Israel neglect to teach the kids about how Israel came about, and how Palestinians were affected?

What @Humdingerydoo said. I’m definitely not suggesting they’re taught a narrative created out of thin air by some random MNer with a tenuous grasp on history.

@Humdingerydoo
So we should deny to Palestinian children that there was a Nakba - we should tell them that their grandparents' accounts of being expelled by force at the hands of the Haganah, Irgun and other Zionist paramilitary organizations are all made up? That it was just inevitable 'movement of people'? Why?

Do you propose that we also downplay the experiences Jewish people suffered at the hands of the Nazis when teaching children about the Holocaust, because it could potentially make Germans uncomfortable?