What are the people "Marching" in London every Saturday realistically hoping to achieve?

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It won't change UK government policy. It won't result in a ceasefire in Gaza. It won't magically resolve the situation in Palestine.

Same as all the other big marches - War in Iraq etc. Changed nothing.

@Coffeepants , apologies, I must have read your post wrong? Are you saying you don’t condemn Hamas? If you were that bothered about the Palestinians surely you would be condemning them?

You do realise there are more than two sides here right?

Ok so you ask me to condemn Israel, and are condemning them yourself, but no to condemning Hamas for you? And you understand why a terrorist organisation whose objective is to rid the world of jews, stated and repeated aim, exists. You're anti semitic, openly and blatantly so. Your comments clearly show you have no understanding of this conflict if the only thing you will say is a silly simplistic catchphrase, now hashtag, that omits all of the history of the region and does not recognise Israel's right to exist.

Seen it all now, empathising with Hamas in the guise of understanding their existence. 🙄

A Jewish man was killed by pro-Palestinian protestors in California, pro-Palestinian protestors had the cruelty to protest a screening of the footage of the October 7th atrocity in Los Angeles, pro-Palestinian protestors are so offended by posters of kidnapped Jewish children that they tear them down or deface them. All this is designed to create an intimidating atmosphere for dissent. Nobody is technically stopping a pro-Israel march from being organised but you can bet it would be a target for every Islamofascist in the country and every person who enjoys rubbing Jewish faces into the Hamas massacre.

It's becoming increasingly clear just who the intolerant section are and it is not the Jewish community.

Selective reading and lack of comprehension skills from this audience makes me neither antisemetic nor a Hamas sympathizer. But go on, if it makes you feel better about the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

how do you know how much others know about the region?

Fairly obvious.

I do wonder how many ‘Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells’ have ever been to the region or even paid attention to it previously.

Nobody feels good about the deaths of civilians, well not on this forum anyway but there are plenty out there, who do, both sides. I cannot even begin to understand or condone the formation of an evil entity, such as Hamas. Not just its operational tactics but its very sick existence.

Nobody is selectively reading, I quoted your own words. You have entered the thread to rage at people for things that have't been said or implied here, demanded posters condemn Israel but are clearly avoiding the questions being asked of you. If you sympathise with Hamas in any way, you are anti semitic because they are, they intend to kill all jews and October 7th showed us what they would do whenever they got the chance. If you repeatedly ignore this being said directly to you and instead deflect to ' you support genocide' then it is quite obvious what you think. Again, nobody here has said what Israel is doing is right. But you refuse to condemn Hamas and in fact are sympathising with them. You are anti semitic, because you support a terrorist group who wants to kill jews.

hamas are killing and endangering their own people in order to achieve their aim of killing all jews. So should be fairly easy thing to do to condemn them....

You’re just arguing with yourself here. I clearly stated that no one in their right mind agrees with Hamas actions. Why are individuals who have nothing to do with Hamas expected to condemn them? Are you walking around condemning every vile action on earth that you have nothing to do with?

I also very clearly said it’s not a Jewish issue, so I’m not “blatantly antisemetic” although you go on and believe whatever serves you.

That already happened on 7th October:"the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group." This was genocide against Israeli people.

Israel is now securing its borders so it will not happen again. It's a great pity that Hamas is using its people as human shields. The loss of so many civilian lives is very distressing and upsetting but Israeli action is not a genocidal act.

If it was, so many western Governments would not be supporting the eradication of Hamas.

From this document from Nato:https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf

"Hamas, an Islamist militant group and the de facto governing authority of the Gaza Strip, has been using human shields in conflicts with Israel since 2007. According to the Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC), the war crime of using human shields encompasses “utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas, or military forces immune from military operations.” Hamas has launched rockets, positioned military-related infrastructure-hubs and routes, and engaged the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) from, or in proximity to, residential and commercial areas. "

But you are here aggressively saying posters should condemn Israel and are somehow supporting genocide by having an issue with these marches? You're contradicting yourself. You said you sympathised with Hamas and understood how they came about. Thats what you said. It is a jewish issue when the group you're talking about and are so outraged anyone wants you to condemn them, have the aim of killing every single jew. Its very much about jewish people. Why would you say you understood how they came about?

I never sympathized with Hamas and can’t have a conversation with someone who can’t be brothered to discuss beyond regurgitating the same parrot sentences.

my comment on condemning Israel was only in response to everyone expecting Hamas to be condemned. The point is both are to be condemned.

And what would you say about the systematic ethnic cleansing of Palestinians that has been going on before October 7th?

I know people here have good knowledge of politics so can someone please explain what the hell is happening?
I am so mad
Biden has gone from saying Hamas death figures are inflated to saying its possibly HIGHER than what hamas have said!
I'm actually shaking
Do these people not realise that these are Israeli and palestinian lives that they are treating as some sort of sick game that they can switch which team or side they are going to take that day

Hamas came about because of the systematic oppression and apartheid state that Israel has created. Yes, the stated aim is disgusting. But for decades children have been murdered, it literally created the monster that is Hamas.

These are YOUR words:

Hamas exists because of the illegal occupation, it exists because Israel is an aprtheid state that has oppressed people for 75 years and broke international laws over and over again. And you want us to condemn Hamas? The next generation of Hamas is being built in front of our eyes as we watch parents bury their children and children become orphaned. And that is on ISRAEL, the US and UK and other countries who back the genocide.

Its the 'but' that gives you away....

So we should just disregard they WHY. Any critical thinker would question why it exists

Which I stand by. Did I say I agree with their aim? You’re reaching desperately to paint me as a Jew hater. I have no problem with Jews, I do have a problem with a terrorist Israel that destroys generations of families and is allowed to rampantly carry out ethnic cleansing. Shock horror when there’s retaliation.

Sorry but I can’t see any sympathy for Hamas in those words

Even ,UN, has said the same thing that what happened on the 7th didn’t come out nowhere and it was after so many years of hate towards Palestinians. And there was in the news the other day how the next generation of Hamas is growing now. Israel can get rid of Hamas , but as long as they’ve not killed every single Palestinian there will be some hate towards Israel for what they’re putting them through and some of them will build the new hamas for sure.

ks this really sympathy? Cuz I see it more of understanding why there is a problem

You're conflating Israel with a terrorist organisation created to kill jews. You didn't question why, you blamed Israel for the creation of a group that wants to kill all jews, throughout the world. I think you're talking about something you know very little about and thats why you're coming across as anti semitic and seem confused about why. That or you are anti semitic. Hamas are not retaliating, they're there for a sole purpose. They use Palestinians as human shields and you're blaming Israel for that?