What are the people "Marching" in London every Saturday realistically hoping to achieve?

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It won't change UK government policy. It won't result in a ceasefire in Gaza. It won't magically resolve the situation in Palestine.

Same as all the other big marches - War in Iraq etc. Changed nothing.

I know - it's awful. But I'm not sure how else Israel can take out Hamas. Maybe the mistake they made was withdrawing from Gaza in the first place? Why are surrounding nations not offering more help/humanitarian aid to Gaza?

@Itllbefine6 they are!
There are truckloads of lorries with life saving aid waiting at the border
But Israel controls how much and what can go in
It all needs to be screened by them first and only they ok how much and what can go through

Well thats not quite true is it, Israel isn't the only way into Gaza.

They are bombing bakeries and hospital and at the same time not even allowing sufficient food and medical supplies in. Which are being provided by other countries whilst people are starving
Even to the extent that doctors have said they are having to carry out amputations without sufficient anaesthetic

@Iwantcakeeveryday read above

And you want us to condemn Hamas?

Any decent person would condemn a terrorist organisation whose aim is to wipe all jews from the planet. You have clearly no clue about the history of the region at all.

No every single interview asks people “do you condemn Hamas” forget how many people are dead, no condolences, just do you condemn Hamas. Civilians are not responsible for actions of Hamas anymore than you and I are responsible for actions of the UK PM. It’s not on us to condemn Rishi Sunak or Suella for provoking hate and extremism.

the fact that I typed an entire novel and you chose to pick out that one line tells me everything I need to know.

shall we talk about Israel’s aims and ideology? Which is to flatten Gaza and drive Palestinians out for economic gain. People who think this is about religion or a homeland are very naive, why do you think the US has their grubby paws in it?

And you want us to condemn Hamas?

Why on earth wouldn’t you after the absolutely horrific things they did?

It’s not a one or the other situation, people should be appalled, shocked, disgusted, heartbroken at the actions on both sides.

Yes you did type up a bit of a novel, most of it shows you do not understand the full history of the region and seem to be making excuses for terrorism, so I just chose to focus on the most important part. You have an overly simplistic view of the conflict, quite an aggressive tone and don't seem to believe Israel should exist.

Yes exactly and we go back to why some have an issue with these marches, because they seem only to focus on one side and seem also to be full of people with little to no knowledge of the full history of the region.

@Iwantcakeeveryday you really don't need to know the full history of the region to be upset at what happened on the 7th of October and what is continuing to happen now.

The marches are pro Palestine - by definition they are one sided. No one stops you from organising or attending a pro Israel March where you condemn whoever you wish.

how do you know how much others know about the region? Is this simply because we are all not sheep buying into the narrative we are told, have researched and read views from different sources and are looking at the facts?

You don't know the history so don't talk about it is a tactic that has been quite commonly used to patronise and silence any sort of criticism

Yes it’s basically telling anyone who has an opinion you don’t like to shut up. Thats how they silence people and genocide is allowed to happen in 2023

I didn't tell anyone not to talk about it, nor am I attempting to silence that poster who thinks its outrageous anyone thinks we should condemn Hamas. I responded to what I thought was a factually incorrect post. Don't try to control how I post by twisting what Ive said.

Stop with your hyperbole. I never attempted to silence you at all. But you are making some really offensive posts which seem to minimise terrorism and excuse the actions of Hamas. I can ignore anything I don't think is worthy of a response and you are not entitled to control how someone responds to you. I am allowed to make my own conclusions about your understanding of the history of this conflict, and you are allowed to continue sharing them. The only people who can stop you are the moderators.

Ofcourse we should condemn Hamas. That goes without saying
I believe what many people are upset about and these happen to be some people I have spoken to in real life aswell is that by default all pro Palestinians are expected to condemn Hamas for their wrong doings before they are even allowed to continue with their point
Whereas anyone pro Israeli is not automatically expected or asked to condemn any of the wrong actions of Israel.

all the people so worried for the hostages

Am I really meant to respond to this disgusting comment minimising the horrific terrifying kidnap of these hostages, including children? No I chose not to respond and somehow that makes me a supporter of genocide. Honestly, this kind of hateful comment is how wars start in the first place. You are dehumanising Israelis while you rant at this thread for daring to say, hey, the marches for one side are ignoring the pain and suffering of the other side. heaven forbid anyone thinks we should march for peace for all.

Go and read what I responded to! That poster did not condemn them and is outraged at the suggestion they should! THAT is what I responded to ok. It does NOT go without saying, certainly not when it comes to the lives of jews and their history. You actually do need to say it. This thread isn't pro Israel either. The main points raised here are that this conflict is complicated, the history of the region is very complicated, there is no good guy, bad guy in this, they are all living in fear and anyone thinking it is simple or that it is clear as day whose land it is, is completely delusional.

@Iwantcakeeveryday I think you misunderstood what I meant by 'that goes without saying'
I meant that it should be obvious that the actions that Hamas carried out on the 7th of October should be condemned.
Many feel the collective punishment that has resulted from it is not justified.
And that it's leading to a genocide and the events preceding the 7th of October cannot be ignored either

Where is your outrage for Palestinian children? Do you condemn Israel? Or are we not allowed to ask that?

@Parkingt111 you seem to be responding to something I said to someone else and completely missing what I responded to. The context for my comments...

you do need to know about it if you're making comments about the history though, or what should happen now, you need those comments to be coming from a place of knowledge and not just reading social media posts. Being upset about suffering is natural. Thinking one side in this particular conflict is the only side to experience suffering or to be the one that has a right to the land shows either extreme bias, or a lack of knowledge.

have you read the thread? I don't think theres one poster that has ever said anything remotely like Israel is justified or the only side suffering. At all. Actually read all my comments. Reading yours, you seem unable and unwilling to condemn a terrorist organisation so I am not sure why you're now asking me to condemn Israel, which I have already in fact. This is about the marches and the support to one side.

Why won;t you condemn Hamas? Did you really mean to suggest their behaviour, over decades, is justified? You understand their stated objective is to rid the world of jews, right? So why would you seem so outraged that people think they should be openly and willingly condemned?