What are the people "Marching" in London every Saturday realistically hoping to achieve?

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It won't change UK government policy. It won't result in a ceasefire in Gaza. It won't magically resolve the situation in Palestine.

Same as all the other big marches - War in Iraq etc. Changed nothing.

What's a 'right kind of gay'?

One that isn't Palestinian obviously because they kill and maim those ones.

Most western liberal countries have been accused of doing this with articles about each including France, the uk, Canada etc. Also the term 'pinkwaahing' is contested.

We march cos we’ve got freedom of speech.

Pride, for instance, is a vital part of many democratic countries and communities.

In Palestine you couldn’t do it cos Hamas kill gays. (As well as Jews and women.)

Democracy also means we have the right to disagree politely, again not popular with terrorist genocide regimes.

This thread is populated by Jew-haters with their renowned high IQ and love of fact.

What is it about Hamas that stops people seeing what they are? Or don’t you care?

You might recall the progress of the last genocidal gay/women/Jew killing expansionist outfit. Loads of people cheered them on in London. The 1930s were one big support party round the uk for the rights and dignity of poor, displaced outraged souls in Munich. The wealthy elite were particularly keen on cutting their friends a bit of slack after the hard time they’d had for decades.

Until no one could ignore the smell from the ghettoes and the camps when they went on holiday round Middle Europe’s famous lakes.

1945 was a good ending. For the Nazis, rows of snapped necks. Nazi supporters didn’t exactly flourish, dangling alongside them.

Sadly, real humans died too. Mostly Russian, Brits and French alongside Europe’s Jews.

That’s what can never happen again. That’s what Hamas want to start. Again.

I only wish I was being hysterical. No one believed Hitler either when he said he wanted to rid the world of Jews.

Until they had to.

This thread is populated by Jew-haters with their renowned high IQ and love of fact.

The idea that killing more innocent children will avenge the innocent children who were murdered is appalling

Where do you live?

Look what Hamas did on Oct 7 with its limited resources. Imagine if they had the same capacity as Israel! Also, worth pointing out that there would be far fewer Palestinian deaths if hamas had built bomb shelters for their own people rather than only for themselves and didn't put military infrastructure around hospitals. That doesn't completely let Israel off the hook, but saying Israel is worse because of the numbers misses the point.

If the woke had been around in the 1930s they would never tire of telling the British to 'check their privilege' and give the poor, economically deprived Getmans a break. They didn't really want to kill the Jews, they were just angry because they control the banks and stuff ... oh, and NATO would reprimand the UK every year over reparations.

Committing apartheid' I disagree with that when it has two million plus Arabs living in Israel with equal rights.

The Palestinians in the West Bank do not have equal rights.

Have shared this Jewish Israeli’s v humane posts on another thread. Sharing again. Read posts anti clockwise.

Just to be clear I think Hamas are a death cult and the 7 Oct atrocities were awful.

The two are connected, though. While there are some in Israel who wish to take the whole of Palestine just for the sake of expansion, the awful treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza is because security is the Israelis' main concern, rather than the principles of equality and democracy that most of Israel, in theory, is signed up to.

Shameful that so many posters are okay for thousands of innocent children to be murdered. That is the truth of it. I can't comprehend how anyone cannot be supportive of a ceasefire. It is so scary. I hope none of you are teachers, doctors or nurses and I hope my children never meet you.

I think pretty much everyone would love for a ceasefire, for the killing on both sides to stop and for everyone to live in peace and harmony.

I think the number of people on the street who are okay with civilians and non-terrorists of any kind being killed is vanishingly low. I don't march because it is too complex a situation for banners and chants. What would I shout? You - stop it! And you -stop it! And you, also, all you others from both sides who have a political interest in it continuing - stop it!

I think you’re spot on Sharon. I’m a Londoner and protests against eg Uigyur genocide have been conspicuous by their absence or much smaller scale.

why would that be I wonder 🤔

If that were true there would be no killing. I refer you back to the actions of Hamas who broke the previous ceasefire with their attack and declaration of war on 7 October.

I wish people would stop posting this kind of nonsense. This simplistic and hyperbolic view is so much a part of the problem. Nobody is ok with it. Nobody has said that here. Not remotely.

Yes there was a ceasefire in place, Hamas attacked on October 7th

I do think it can be achieved somehow again with Israel severing ties, but not with Hamas still in place

I know.

This is a genuine question but when did the ceasefire start prior to the Hamas attack? It's pretty hard without wading through pages and pages on Google to find much prior to Oct 7. I was under the impression that Israel had been killing all through 2023 prior to the Hamas attack is that not true? 2022 was the deadliest year for Palestinians in the West Bank in almost 2 decades, 240 Palestinians were killed that year almost 150 of them in the occupied West Bank. Up until the end of May of this year Israeli forces killed 112 Palestinians in the occupied West Bank alone, that's more than double the number that had been killed up until May the previous year. By all accounts before 7/10 it was looking like being a more deadly year than 2022 was for Palestinians. There was great concern about this amongst the International community. Was the ceasefire called after May of this year? I can't find any info on that anywhere?

Actually Google says that as of the 18 of September this year it was the deadliest year yet for children of the West Bank with 38 of them killed by Israeli forces, the youngest of them being 2 years old. There were deaths on September of this year. So the ceasefire must have happened between September 18 and Oct 7?

The surprising thing for me is how many posters expect Israel to be just OK with having a next door neighbour intent on carrying out the kind of atrocity we saw on Oct 7th, or are wondering why they are bombing from the air, rather than risking losing more Israeli life by sending troops into a built-up area. I don't like the result either - whole families wiped out, children orphaned. But we did the same when we went after ISIS, so I don't think we can take the moral high ground.

@Itllbefine6 largely because the Gazans are trapped with nowhere to go
They can't escape the bombing like many civilians in other countries could
And the south is not safe. Firstly its still being bombed but just not as much as other places. And due to the high influx of civilians moving there, there is no space.
There's up to 600-700 people using one toilet and lack of sanitation aswell as clean water has meant people are falling seriously ill
There's also the issue of restricting life saving aid which is desperately needed. Many bakeries have either been bombed or no longer functioning aswell as many hospitals

This is the reason many human rights groups are alarmed that we may well be witnessing a genocide
Or certainly if things continue the way it is, it is likely to lead to one