What are the people "Marching" in London every Saturday realistically hoping to achieve?

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It won't change UK government policy. It won't result in a ceasefire in Gaza. It won't magically resolve the situation in Palestine.

Same as all the other big marches - War in Iraq etc. Changed nothing.

1946: Jewish terrorist attack:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4hs4Z5b-ddE

Is anybody claiming any of that? I think the question people are asking is how anybody, in good faith, can leave out important facts like the various wars launched against the State of Israel since 1948 right up until the most recent attack on civilians on 7 October and just expect people to agree with you that Israel is the main aggressor? If you want to argue that Israel has often chosen expansion when it should have chosen diplomacy, and has done and said things to inflame the situation, perhaps you wouldn't get so much opposition.

because stupid prime minister said that we stand with israel and the fa t is majority of us DO NOT and he shouldn't talk for us

The comment section of that video is something else.

Yes, I agree with all of this (don’t faint).

It’s such a weird tack to spout a load of ahistorical nonsense and when asked to clarify, respond with “WELL THIS IS WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU UTTER PSYCHOPATH” and then scarper.

And many of us DO.

@piscofrisco

• lots of people in this country are sensitive about armistice day and feel it's something that should be respected. You or I might not hold it so dear but it's ok that they do. I just think it's incendiary to have a huge March in the capital city on that particular day. And it will fuel anti Islamist rhetoric. Why not have the March on Saturday instead?*

For info Saturday the 11th is Armistice Day and as a result there's at least one commemorative event at the cenotaph that day.

Sunday the 12th is Remembrance Sunday.

If you take point 1. As an absolute and refuse to see any other way around it then point 2. inevitably will take place
Once point 2 has taken place (which is currently happening now) then at some time in the future there will likely be a unfortunate catastrophe that will lead us back to arguing about point 1 again.
So who is going to break the endless cycle of suffering on both sides if we refuse to see that there has to be a better long term plan and resolution than what is happening now?

I'm confused, are you arguing with point 1? It's not opinion, point 1 is factual. Of course there should be a better long term plan and resolution, but you can;t keep denying Hamas are terrorists who have said repeatedly that they will rid the world of jews. It's factual. Not 'gospel' but fact.

Yes, I agree with all of this (don’t faint)

Lol

@Itllbefine6 I appreciate that it's not black and white and its not an easy answer
But there are many despite their loyalties to either side who deep down must be thinking oh crap didn't expect it would come to this
And that we can't just be expected to sit back and say oh well I'm sure our governments know best so let's not question it
Again not aiming that at you specifically but just to show that its not as black and white as it seems and I can see you understand that too

Sorry that was my fault I should have worded that better. my apologies
What I meant was if what is happening now is the only solution that is accepted.
As I said many times that I don't agree or condone the actions of Hamas

thanks for clarifying.

@alveus indeed

Has a March ever realistically achieved anything?

That's not really the point of them. Marches make people/numbers visible, get media coverage and bring them together as a community.

Its OK thank you for pointing it out

History, yay! Here's the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in 1941 chatting with pals about his plans to live harmoniously with his Jewish neighbours.

My post was only in response to the person who said it was Hamas who had started the terrorist attacks.

That visit seems to have been a case of “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” when it looked like Hitler was going to win the war; and Palestine was still under British rule. It seems to be recognised that Netanyahu lied about this meeting.

https://time.com/4084301/hitler-grand-mufi-1941/

One historian asserts that at that very time, 12,000 Palestinians had volunteered for the British Army and were fighting Hitler’s forces.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2019-05-31/ty-article/.premium/historian-12-000-palestinians-fought-for-u-k-in-wwii-alongside-jewish-volunteers/0000017f-db14-d856-a37f-ffd4017f0000

So protesting about genocide is being a bad faith actor and wanting to do harm to jews? As for a theocracy, Israel has anyone who isn't Jewish as second-class citizens

@LittleGlowingOblong yes, I was appreciating that there was some actual historical context going on. I’m off to read those links now, thank you.

You think everyone is as hard-hearted as yourself. I am old and it has been an eye-opener for me how many people can cheer on the carpet-bombing of civilians.

My post was only in response to the person who said it was Hamas who had started the terrorist attacks.

How far back should we go?

Personally I don't think it really matters who started it. It's quite obvious there was a desperate need for 2 separate states.

I think it’s easier for some people to believe that the marchers are all hate-filled antisemites and/or muslim immigrants who want the destruction of Israel.

That makes more sense than the protesters being ordinary decent people from all walks of life and backgrounds, who are simply horrified and traumatised by the images coming out from Gaza right now, and feel like they need to do ‘something’.

who is actually cheering that on?