What are the people "Marching" in London every Saturday realistically hoping to achieve?

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It won't change UK government policy. It won't result in a ceasefire in Gaza. It won't magically resolve the situation in Palestine.

Same as all the other big marches - War in Iraq etc. Changed nothing.

A good voice to listen to on the marches is I feel
Dr Norman Finkelstein.

He recently debated Schumer live on us tv.

He is worth a listen. A decent humanitarian voice.

People in India/Pakistan lost their homes at partition. Jewish people lost their homes fleeing the many pogroms in the past century. Many families lost their homes in the revolution in China. Protestants lost their homes and had to flee to the north at the foundation of the Free State of Ireland, and more recently when their families were killed by the IRA and they lost their land and had to move to the West. They've gotten over it. If the alternative is war in which children, old people and pregnant women are slaughtered, then, yes, I expect people to get over it. Is there something special about Palestinians that they continue to fight a war that they've been losing for decades when a peace negotiation is on the table?

The illegal settlements - described internationally as illegal - aren’t historical, they are ongoing and violent.

Thank you but I was not asking you - the original poster about what he/she thought and why. I already know what I think and don't need a Google search, thank you.
I don't think Wikipdia is an overly reliable source of information.

Yes, if your grandmother was murdered in the partition and uncles/aunties in Kashmir were killed. I'm sure you would be saying "get over it". And for the Palestinians, they are currently dying. Let's just tell them to "get over it".

You clearly haven't had any experience of war and that's nice for you.

yes, I expect people to get over it. Is there something special about Palestinians that they continue to fight a war that they've been losing for decades when a peace negotiation is on the table?

No, I don’t think people are as good at “getting over it” as you imagine. People have been fighting over territory, land and causes since the year dot.

what peace negotiation are you referring to btw?

This is a remarkably erudite, clearly thought out response to what you think and why. Thank you.

I don't agree with the illegal settlements either. But the stated intentions of Hamas are not to regain land and houses taken illegally - it is to wipe out the State of Israel. This is why Palestine and its supporters are unable to make any headway. Even their friends are doing nothing to help them - except make half-hearted calls for a ceasefire.

You seemed “genuinely confused” about Palestine-Israel relations leading immediately up to this conflict so we’re just genuinely trying to help.

Wikipedia is sometimes used for personal opinions or malice but the entry about illegal settlements references plenty of sources.

Or you could use the many other sites suggested above. If you “genuinely” want to know.

Israel is currently doing a good job of making over a million Gazans homeless and killing thousands more. Actions speak louder than words.

Actually, I have. What makes you think I haven't? A war needs to have an achievable end, or it just leads to more bloodshed.

Or inaction, in this case. Lots of keyboard warriors, but no actual action. No action taken against Israel for its illegal actions over decades. The UN criticise, but don't actually do anything to resolve the issue. Israel is just left to take more and more extreme actions to defend itself as the other side keep repeating their desire to destroy the whole State of Israel, when what they're actually achieving is their own self-destruction. It should all have been sorted out and agreed decades ago after the first conflict.

To some extent yes you are correct
But the blame cannot be squarely placed on one side when looking at the bigger picture of years of violence and mess
There are many bad selfish players here and Hamas are not the only ones

I understand the resentment as so many Israelis are relative newcomers. The problem is, was Israel ever given time to be humble or grateful? It very soon found itself fighting for its existence.

However Israel, far from being the humble and grateful newcomer, willing to accept that its arrival has caused problems, has done nothing to endear itself

Wow.

However Israel, far from being the humble and grateful newcomer, willing to accept that its arrival has caused problems, has done nothing to endear itself but instead has ramped up the violence and hatred progressively over the years.

I can't believe I'm reading this.

How is it not true? Are you shocked because you believe this viewpoint to be antisemitic instead of political fact?

What political facts? This is just a way to say that Israel shouldn't exist or defend itself without spelling it out.

You don’t think a brand new country, funded by the US, which has displaced people who have lived there for generations, should have made a huge, enormous, massive effort to get on with its neighbours?

That’s the entitled mindset which has brought us to this mass murder.

However Israel, far from being the humble and grateful newcomer, willing to accept that its arrival has caused problems, has done nothing to endear itself

Well that is really…something.

The fact is, it's just impossible to tell whether Israel has 'ramped up the violence and hatred' because of expansionist aims, or because of the continuous threat to its existence. How should it have displayed its 'gratitude and humility'? At the first attack, should it have said, 'Oh, we're terribly sorry. We had not realised how much our presence here offended you. Why don't you come round for tea and we'll have a chat about it.'? When a country is attacked by neighbours with a stated aim to wipe out the state, they tend to respond by 'ramping up the violence and hatred'. That's how wars have operated since man first scrambled out his cave and met another man trying to steal his nuts.

Sure, because the Jewish people who went to live in newly created Israel were obviously really entitled.

Protesters have promised not to go to Whitehall. Yeah right. So let's just watch those splinter groups do the complete opposite. Given some of the footage of people being intimidated outside McDonalds, fireworks thrown at the police, preventing guys, wearing poppies from going into a train station, just watch this space.