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Conflict in the Middle East

Journalists on the ground in Gaza

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TakeMe2Insanity · 30/10/2023 19:25

Of the 50 journalists on the ground in Gaza (residents) 35 have been killed.

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Journalists on the ground in Gaza
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Efacsen · 16/02/2024 07:28

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 16/02/2024 05:07

Absolutely terrible. The only evidence the IDF have is a very short video of him on October 7, but of him just reporting on it. He was saying something along the lines of "clashes between the Mujahideen and the IDF near Kibbutz Nir Oz", according to Arabic speakers. He wasn't even near any Hamas or taking part in any atrocities, but him reporting was enough justification for targeting him. Of course Israel supporters are lapping this up and taunting poor Hind Khoudary, who is a friend of his, about it.

Thank you - I didn't know this which is quite a bit different from Al Jazeera's story

Is he one of the 3 or 4 news reporters who were sacked by overseas networks for 'taking part in 7/10'?

If so wasn't the issue not so much that they had been involved in the attack but that they must have known about it in the planning stages/before it happened in order to have been there? I've struggled with that inasmuch as the imminent attack was announced from mosque loudspeakers at 4am on 7/10 and wouldn't word have got back to Gaza once it started? Also the huge rocket attack and the fighting would have been heard in Gaza

It's all so murky and hard to make sense of without all the information

Efacsen · 16/02/2024 07:46

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 16/02/2024 06:40

Good question. I thought being a Hamas commander would be a full time job in itself, especially now.

You would have thought so wouldn't you - I mean having 2 full-time jobs surely your legitimate employer would notice?

Tho TBH I really don't know what being a 'deputy commander' involves and Hamas seem so elusive - near invisible at times which is obviously one of the things that make them so dangerous and difficult to overcome

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 16/02/2024 08:04

Efacsen · 16/02/2024 07:28

Thank you - I didn't know this which is quite a bit different from Al Jazeera's story

Is he one of the 3 or 4 news reporters who were sacked by overseas networks for 'taking part in 7/10'?

If so wasn't the issue not so much that they had been involved in the attack but that they must have known about it in the planning stages/before it happened in order to have been there? I've struggled with that inasmuch as the imminent attack was announced from mosque loudspeakers at 4am on 7/10 and wouldn't word have got back to Gaza once it started? Also the huge rocket attack and the fighting would have been heard in Gaza

It's all so murky and hard to make sense of without all the information

You're welcome. I very much doubt the narrative that the journalists knew about the attacks beforehand. There's no way that Hamas would trust them to keep it a secret. Too risky. They're journalists, it's their job to report things. No army tells journalists that they're playing to launch a suprise attack, it's just common sense. I think it's just propoganda to justify the IDF attacks on journalists. What most likely happened, is that they heard the announcements that morning, saw the rockets being fired, saw the gaps in the wall and simply went to see what's going on.

Efacsen · 16/02/2024 08:11

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 16/02/2024 08:04

You're welcome. I very much doubt the narrative that the journalists knew about the attacks beforehand. There's no way that Hamas would trust them to keep it a secret. Too risky. They're journalists, it's their job to report things. No army tells journalists that they're playing to launch a suprise attack, it's just common sense. I think it's just propoganda to justify the IDF attacks on journalists. What most likely happened, is that they heard the announcements that morning, saw the rockets being fired, saw the gaps in the wall and simply went to see what's going on.

That makes more logical sense to me and it's what a good* reporter would do

*good as in keen/efficient not as in a nice/moral person
*

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 16/02/2024 09:47

Efacsen · 16/02/2024 07:46

You would have thought so wouldn't you - I mean having 2 full-time jobs surely your legitimate employer would notice?

Tho TBH I really don't know what being a 'deputy commander' involves and Hamas seem so elusive - near invisible at times which is obviously one of the things that make them so dangerous and difficult to overcome

Yeah! I would think there employers would notice, too! I don't know exactly what being a 'deputy commander' of Hamas involves, but it's fair to say that it would involve actual commanding. He would be doing that full time, especially now when they're at war. He certainly won't be doing a lot of reporting if any. The IDF's whole narrative is bullshit.

(Just noticed the typo in my earlier comment. It's supposed to be planning, not playing. 🙄 Of course I can't edit it now.)

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 16/02/2024 09:54

Efacsen · 16/02/2024 08:11

That makes more logical sense to me and it's what a good* reporter would do

*good as in keen/efficient not as in a nice/moral person
*

Yep. He saw something happening and he reported it. It's simply his job and he didn't behave any differently than any other journalist would have.

Christmascountdownpanic · 16/02/2024 13:37

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 16/02/2024 09:54

Yep. He saw something happening and he reported it. It's simply his job and he didn't behave any differently than any other journalist would have.

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It sounds like guesswork. He may have known the attacks were going ahead and went along. Some journalists were there, was he? Many civilians took part, joined in the killing spree, did he? Was he just turning up through a gap in the fence for a look? Was he horrified? Did he report that? Many cheered at what hamas had done. There are good and there are hamas. Hamas disappeared into the civilian population when they wanted to hide away.

I don't know if he was or not. Hopefully the truth will eventually emerge.

Christmascountdownpanic · 16/02/2024 13:38

People tend to view according to what they want to believe.

Christmascountdownpanic · 16/02/2024 13:38

People tend to view according to what they want to believe.

Christmascountdownpanic · 16/02/2024 13:39

Repeated post. Apologies.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 16/02/2024 17:18

Christmascountdownpanic · 16/02/2024 13:37

It sounds like guesswork. He may have known the attacks were going ahead and went along. Some journalists were there, was he? Many civilians took part, joined in the killing spree, did he? Was he just turning up through a gap in the fence for a look? Was he horrified? Did he report that? Many cheered at what hamas had done. There are good and there are hamas. Hamas disappeared into the civilian population when they wanted to hide away.

I don't know if he was or not. Hopefully the truth will eventually emerge.

It's important not to jump to conclusions. I don't know if he was involved or not, either. But it's important to remember that the evidence the IDF have against him is VERY flimsy. And their claims are totally ridiculous, they're claiming that he's a 'deputy commander'! There is no evidence of him being involved other than reporting from a distance. There is no evidence that he knew about the attacks beforehand, because it just doesn't make sense that Hamas will tell journalists about a surprise attack. It's far more likely that he just went to see what was going on. The only evidence the IDF have against him is a very short video of him reporting that there were clashes between the IDF and Hamas near a Kibbutz. That's it. If new evidence comes to light that he participated in the October 7 attacks, then fuck him, but I can only judge him on that brief video where he wasn't doing anything that you wouldn't expect from a journalist. In that video, he was armed with nothing but a camera. In that video his clothes were pretty clean, completely intact and there was no evidence that he was in a struggle or killed anyone. No blood, dirt, rips, nothing. He was also alone, no Hamas members were nearby. I wouldn't jump to conclusions based on that tiny clip, or to take what the IDF say as gospel. He and another journalist were covering the bombings in Rafah when they were attacked. Most likely the IDF want to eliminate as many journalists as they can so their crimes are no longer exposed and are using Ismail's October 7 report as an excuse. The IDF do have a habit of trying to eliminate journalists just after they have reported on their atrocities. Also. the IDF tried to make Hamza Al Dahdouh out as a terrorist. Remember how that one turned out.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 16/02/2024 17:20

Christmascountdownpanic · 16/02/2024 13:39

Repeated post. Apologies.

It happens. 😀

Christmascountdownpanic · 16/02/2024 20:35

There is a post further down suggesting he supports beheading.

I cannot copy but it follows the post above that he shared.

Parkingt111 · 16/02/2024 21:58

Thanks for sharing that!

Parkingt111 · 16/02/2024 22:03

From the article.
Israel won’t allow international journalists into Gaza and is killing those reporting from within,” says Azaiza. “It is a deliberate attempt to obscure the Palestinian narrative and erase the truth.”

Tripper79 · 18/02/2024 11:04

Thanks for sharing. I hope he’s getting some mental health support. It sounds like he’s struggling with PTSD - understandably!

Christmascountdownpanic · 23/02/2024 09:31

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-788469

A journalist who posted to Telegram prior to the attacks happening and throughout the attacks and then later worked for CNN, took pictures during attack.

Oct. 7 survivors sue AP for hiring photographers accused of being Hamas members

The suit alleges that AP knew about the men's affiliation with Hamas and that AP hired them despite that.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-788469

TakeMe2Insanity · 23/02/2024 20:41

Thank you for sharing.

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10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 25/02/2024 11:53

There were unconfirmed reports a few days ago that the house Mansour Shouman was hit in an airstrike a few days ago. I didn't want to post it here until it was confirmed, unfortunately it was true but he survived and he is ok. 😀There isn't any further information about the how the people he was staying with are doing, or if they survived, unfortunately. 🙁

https://twitter.com/ShoumanMansour/status/1760411422389948726

https://www.instagram.com/p/C3w11jVP25E/

https://twitter.com/ShoumanMansour/status/1760411422389948726

Dilemma8188 · 26/02/2024 23:22

Thank you for sharing!

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 27/02/2024 00:02

Dilemma8188 · 26/02/2024 23:22

Thank you for sharing!

You're welcome! 😀

Efacsen · 28/02/2024 09:30

A group of more than 50 broadcast journalists have sent an open letter to the embassies of Israel and Egypt calling for “free and unfettered access” to Gaza for foreign media.

The letter, sent by correspondents and presenters from the main broadcasting outlets based in the UK, also appeals for better protection for journalists already reporting in the territory.

PA Media reports 55 journalists signed the letter from outlets including Sky News, the BBC, ITV and Channel 4.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 05/03/2024 10:56

Mansour Shouman is fine and was evacuated to Qatar. 😀❤️

https://twitter.com/ShoumanMansour/status/1764712670790336997

https://twitter.com/ShoumanMansour/status/1764712670790336997