Placards from antisemitic marches in London

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I had written this as a response to the other thread which was closed as it was overrun by antisemitic d**ks. As I'm sure this one will be too. They can't allow us to share the truth of what is being said and done in our own home towns and cities.

Look at these images. No, they are not in the minority or unusual. Here are just a few of many, many overtly antisemitic placards from Saturday's protest in London. (And a bonus one from 2021, which the lovely John McDonnell also spoke at.)

This is MY HOME. I am Jewish. My family fled pogroms in Eastern Europe and Nazis in Germany. Those family members who didn't flee were murdered for being Jews. And here we fucking are again. In London. And people defending it.

This is NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL. These are Jew-haters, the faces of hate, the faces of anger and mockery, openly calling for Jews, for me, my family, my children, my parents, to be murdered, in my home city.

And people are defending it. How the fuck do you think we feel?

Deep down we both know I am right

Plus I agree the current Israeli government are not Palestinian friendly to put it lightly. Right wing and dreadful people to put it lightly. None of that has much to do with Jewish people around the world though. We didn't vote for them, Israelis did out of fear because Hamas and Co kept ramping up their behaviour. None of that means there is not a overwhelming about of Jew hate on these marches. None of that means there is not a lot of support for Hamas on these marches. Frankly I don't get why you even bother to mention it in reference to what we ate all seeing and hearing on these marches.

100 % this and I suspect many posters on here realise this but can't really admit it.

'Deep down we both know I am right' - @Trulywonderful

Speak for yourself @Trulywonderful . "Deep down" I think you are very wrong. "Deep down" you might think you're an expert on the psyche of demonstrators, and a mind-reader of people on MN, but that doesn't make you right.

@Trulywonderful
Well let's look at some of these placards that you say:

"Because the majority of protesters:

Are not calling for peace

They believe Hamas are resistance fighters

They are calling for the distruction/dismantling of Israel
(A state with 9 million Jewish and Arab citizens)

A percentage of the protesters are only there because they want to shout hate about Jewish people in general. They don't give a flying F about Palestinians."

The placards read:

• Jews for justice for Palestinians
• Ceasefire Now
• Free Palestine
• Freedom for Palestine
• Gaza. stop the massacre

Which of these is not calling for peace?
Which one says they're Hamas supporters?
Which one is calling for the destruction of Israel?
Which one is shouting about Jewish hate?
Which one doesn't give a flying F about Palestinians?

Me think you do protest to much

Excuse the pun there

I have read a lot of your posts and seriously this is my take on them. That is why you throw in stuff about the Israeli government or remind people about child deaths (Like we are all have forgotten that) at times isn't relevant to the conversation. It is also why you. I don't know who you are trying to convince with your posts, yourself or someone without eyes and ears.

I honestly have no idea what you're on about @Trulywonderful .

Scroll through the thread and you will see lots of examples of what I am saying. So much so that the organisers have had to provide pre designed printed out signs now. They know they can't trust the protester to make ones that don't show their true feelings and why they are there

Just scroll, I am not your mother or your teacher

Sure you don't honey

@Trulywonderful I take it you've been to these protests and heard all of this?

If anyone doesn't understand or believe what I have said please Google the protests. This is when they realised that the pro p marches needed pre designed signs. The level of Jew hate on those marches was all singing and dancing for everyone to see from reading their Jew hater signs. It was all pretty gross and most hadn't learnt how to hide it back then

I live in London and am near enough to see a lot of it myself yes

No I haven't marched along with protesters if that is what you are asking

I see people at the train stations and working through London to get to and from marches. The behaviour their is enough trust me

Mind-reading again, @Trulywonderful ? I truly don't (pardon the pun).

Organiser of pro-Palestine ‘f*k the Jews’ convoy helped plan some of the side protests on Armistice Day

The organiser of the 2021 pro-Palestinian convoy which saw some demonstrators drive through Jewish areas screaming antisemitic abuse, including calls for rape.

Flyers and social media posts advertising both the earlier and current events bear the logos of 1Vision and Convoy4Palestine, groups in which Bradford activist Razaq Hussain plays a central role. They also include his phone number.

The earlier convoy incident took place on 16 May 2021 during a previous bout of the conflict between Israel and Hamas. Several groups of six or seven cars sporting Palestinian flags were driven from northern England to the heartland of north London’s Jewish community in Golders Green. Witnesses said they honked their horns and shouted abuse at Jewish bystanders, with calls to “f the Jews, f all of them, f* their mothers, rape their daughters and show your support for Palestine”.

What truly Truly

Not mind reading just reading your posts. The way you react to other posts.

Anyway agree to disagree

@Trulywonderful
This is not from Wikipedia, it's from a website that promotes Zionist propaganda. Be honest about your sources.

I can't imagine being a Jew living in London knowing that every week antisemites are, like clockwork, being given an excuse to march through the centre of where I live calling for my death, or just throwing vitriolic hatred in my direction and having people describing these as 'peace marches'.

It's not just a few bad apples on the protests though though is it. Otherwise I would go on the protests myself. I absolutely deplore what the current Israeli govt is doing in Gaza, as well as the ultra Zionist groups in the West Bank. I am on the left and a pacifist (possibly naively) so of course I feel this way. I hold Netanyahu responsible for murdering thousands of innocent people and he is putting the lives of Jews across the world in danger too as a consequence. And some of the more vocal and non-empathetic pro-Israel voices (Jewish and non-Jewish) on Mumsnet enrage me as much as those who I believe are prejudiced against Jewish people (at best) and who have no interest in hearing Jewish voices unless we go on the protests. The ones who keep denying or minimising antisemitism, the ones who are quite happy to just ignore or contort the obvious hatred toward Jews and the explicit calls to dismantle the world's only Jewish state. There just always seems to be a way to explain all of that away doesn't there?

And we keep being told 'anti-Zionism is not antisemitism' yet Jewish people are being targeted leaving synagogues in London. And the protester yesterday who shouted into a camera that basically Hitler had the right idea - it's just anti-Zionism, amirite? Are pro-Palestinian convoys targeting specific Jewish areas across UK cities and suburbs just being anti-Zionist? Really? Naziesque graffiti is being displayed on the homes of Jews in Paris near where some of my family live, including an elderly relative who lives alone in the 14th. Their homes are being 'marked'. Sound familiar? One elderly couple in their 80s had the entrance to their flat set on fire. That is not antizionism, it's antisemitism and it's very, very frightening. The protests, in my opinion, are creating an atmosphere that enables this (which is why Macron banned them). So why would I go out and protest when there is such evident hate towards Jews on display, hate that is overflowing from the protests into other areas of Jewish life.

And yes I am fully aware there is a Jewish presence on the marches. One group are ultra orthodox fundamentalists and I have no interest in anything they have to say to be quite honest. Their beliefs do not align with mine and their way of life could not be further removed from mine. This group simply do not care about Gazan lives, you need to realise that. They want non-religious Jews and Zionists out of Israel. That's it. Other Jewish groups on the march, I'm sure many of them mean well, in fact I know they do. But I also feel there's a significant contingent who align themselves with JVL, JVP and the likes - problematic organisations to say the very least. They are on the fringes and have some pretty hateful characters in their ranks - they are not in any way part of the mainstream Jewish community. Yet their presence is being used as some kind of proof that antisemitism is not on display at the protests so they are used to shut-out our voices and concerns. Again, that is my opinion but I know it is shared by other Jewish people on the left.

Why would it be from Wikipedia?

Firstly when did I say that was from Wikipedia

(Which by the way nobody should ever use as a source. It isn't reliable and we tell our students to always make sure they don't just use Wikipedia)

This is from an article in the Jewish Chronicle. So yes you cocall it a Zionist source as more than 80% of the worlds Jewish population are Zionist. However I believe you have a problem with political zionism rather than the Jewish belief that they have the right to self determine like everyone else (Which is what zionism actually is).

As you will find I get articles and information about the protesters from a good crossection of resources. I have even posted stuff on this thread from Aljazeera and most people reading my posts know I find them to drip feed Jew hate . However it is good to use different sources to give balance

If you disbelieve the JC article then you could just research what they have stated yourself

I know right

Since when have people believed Wikipedia is a good resource for information as well. I mean OK for a quick careful peek but you can't trust it for factual information.

Weird

@Trulywonderful
My bad, you said go to 'google', not Wikipedia.
However, I still believe that when you paste an article into a thread, you should provide the source. At least on Wikipedia, claims are referenced and links are provided. Unlike the propaganda article you provided.

And I’ve just seen the reaction the thread about this is getting.

Fucking hell.

A valid opinion I will take on board. Most the time I do just that but not always if I am rushing or think that it isn't needed because I am giving a general overview. With that article I was just linking the 2021 protests to the current ones. Therefore providing evidence of what went on then. As most people will remember what happened in 2021 it didn't occur to be to provide a link. However like I said I will take your suggestion on board next time

Yep

Mind blowing isn't it

It's global unfortunately. I've seen some absolutely horrifying footage in Australia.

This was meant to be a Bring them Home event in Cape Town today for the hostages - you can see how that went:

https://twitter.com/VOCfm/status/1723675163571474463

Yes the Palestine march yesterday went ahead unopposed.