Worshippers forbidden from entering Al Aqsa mosque

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Just saw this on the news, police literally beating people with batons who are in the vicinity. It's a war on all Palestinians, no one can claim this is an attempt to eradicate Hamas.

I should clarify that setting off fireworks there is not only hugely disrespectful, but also dangerous and deliberately inciting violence, because at first glance it can look like an attack in a place that’s already on a knife edge.

Thanks for that @25milesfromhome. I was referring to the tear gas/rubber bullets attack during the prayers, soldiers literally stormed the mosque.
When was the temple destroyed and when was the mosque built?

They're answering the call to prayer. If tye Israeli government is forbidding them because they're concerned those men are terrorists, well, there's a word for that. Forbidding everyone to pray is not acceptable.

Jews are also forbidden from praying on the Mount, which is a general rule rather than a temporary suspension. Is that also not acceptable or do you think that's fine?

The rights of religious communities to meet and pray together are not sacrosanct. They're qualified rights. In the same way, religious meetings were controlled and limited under Covid regulations as large meetings, because the dangers of large-scale transmission were considered more important. They're not being 'forbidden to pray' any more than someone who couldn't attend a religious service was being forbidden from praying - they couldn't pray at a particular place at a particular time. Seems acceptable on principle to me.

It's also unacceptable. There are various sites which are of great religious importance to Jews, Muslims and Christians, and I don't think it's right that anyone is banned from them.

My main issue was the inference, as I quoted, that the restriction was due to them being young Muslim men and therefore suspected members of Hezbollah.

This will just lead to more converts in the western world. The more events like this happen. The more people think, hey I'm going to look into what islam is any why everyone hates Muslims etc. Then a lot end up converting because they discover what Islam really is. I'm speaking as a fellow convert.

After major life events/catastrophes there is normally a huge rise in reverts over the course of a few years.

So well done israel, you will end up doing the complete opposite to what you want to achieve!

Thousands of young men gathering in that location at this time is a risk. That’s why older men were allowed through.

This is the incident I was referring to during last Ramadan, is this the one you’re talking about as well?
https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/04/1135382

From the statement by Tor Wennesland, UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process:
“I am disturbed by the apparent beating of Palestinians by Israeli security forces and large number of arrests. I also strongly reject the stockpiling and use of fireworks and rocks by Palestinians inside the mosque,”

“I call on political, religious and community leaders on all sides to reject incitement, inflammatory rhetoric, and provocative actions.”

Leaders on all sides must act responsibly and refrain from steps that could escalate tensions,” he said, adding that “the indiscriminate firing of rockets from Gaza is unacceptable and must stop.”

I’m going to suggest you can find lots of information about the First and Second Temples on the internet, so as not to be accused of bias and wanging on about Jewish history.

Give it a couple of years and all the Christian sites will be destroyed as well.

This is ridiculous. There are around 90 churches in Jerusalem. If Netanyahu wanted to he's had years as PM on and off to start on that.

https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/coe/israel-closure-christianitys-holiest-site-alarm-signal/

Yes, it will happen. Things have been deteriorating for a while now and will ramp up with the new government they have in place. Attacks on Christians are increasing already and it's clear that many Israelis don't want a Christian presence in Jerusalem and other places within the Holy Land.

I once read that the events of 9/11 caused so many people to look into Islam and there was a subsequent surge in people converting.
@25milesfromhome I wasn't able to get a consistent answer, each site says sonething different re the first temple, am I right in saying it was destroyed in 586BC? The Aqsa mosque was built in 1035ish. I read on Haaretz that Jews are forbidden to enter the Temple Mount (aka the Aqsa compound) by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel and there's a sign saying this? It also said it is only right wing Zionists who breach this rule.

am I right in saying it was destroyed in 586BC

But then the second temple was built …

Yes, it will happen. Things have been deteriorating for a while now and will ramp up with the new government they have in place. *

Netanyahu will be gone after this. He got less than 25% of the vote last November and had to cobble together a coalition. He was incredibly unpopular anyway and once this is all over he'll be toast as a lot of Israelis blame him for the intelligence failures.

Just because a church closed for a few days and a few loons go round daubing slogans, It doesn't mean the government is going to destroy the Christian sites.

Personally I think the more interesting question is not when it was built. The interesting question is by whom and why he said he was building it

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Totally agree not acceptable and that applies to Jews being told they cannot pray in the courtyard too

However life is always more important than prayer when prayer can be done elsewhere temporarily. We know rocks and fireworks have been thrown by prayers in this area before. So it is not a big stretch that this or worse could happen again.

Oh yes a new convert. That does explain a lot. Have you studied all three Abrahamic books or the Quran. Else are you reliant on the snip bits you have been told.

My best friend was born into Islam. She doesn't hold back on calling Hamas and Muslim supporters Munafiq!

I mean after all Allah said this:

Koran (5:21), “O my people! Enter the Holy Land which God has decreed for you, and turn back on your heels otherwise you will be overturned as losers.”

Plus Jews are mentioned in the holy land and Jerusalem at least 14 times that I have counted in my Abrahamic books studying. However not Mohammed followers🤔

Oh fabulous verse of the Quran that seems to help convert Jew haters is this one

Goodness this thread is silly considering everything else happening there at the moment

I mean are people really thinking prayers or arguing about where someone can pray is more important the human lives or Jews and Arabs. Personally it seems in rather bad taste to start a thread up and post this nonsense at the moment.

If you think it's silly then why continue to post @Trulywonderful. If you have indeed read all three Abrahamic books, you'll know about the Jewish law of "lo sechaneim" (show them ie the non Jews no favour) The Bible also has some nice verses about slaying disbelievers.
I'm quite sure religious people are "thinking about prayers" especially at this terrible time!

Do you mean that it is OK for Jewish people to desecrate it?

Or is this part of a broader point “The Torah says Israel was in place X at Time Y therefore we own it and can do whatever we like there.”

It’s actually holy to Muslims too, and if you weren’t a half wit you could see “ joint respect for something we value in different ways” as a mechanism for building peace. But you obviously don’t want that.

@Trulywonderful umm yes I have studied most religions actually. You also can't take 'snippets' from any religious text and use them out of context.

You are quite mean aren't you. I bet if there was a problem in your life, and you needed assistance, no matter how small. I would happily come and help you. I bet if it was the other way round you wouldn't care.

I'm not going to start quoting other verses from other texts to show you that it can be taken on and out of context in all religious texts.

If you are so knowledgeable you can do that yourself.

I feel sorry for you that you need to criticise me.

If you truly have studied you.wouod understand all the religious scriptures you are reading and see most are similar. However the bible had many versions. The torah is also not the original but the quran (not koran) has never changed.

I can go on and on but what's the point. It will just lead to arguments and I haven't got the time to deal with people like you.

I also converted 16 years ago and well aware of religion thank you very much. I also attend many interfaith talks and events regularly and have jewish/Christian/buddhist/seikh friends and we share many things regularly.

In your 'studies' have you actually spoken to any religious believers or do you just Google random verses from the quran and throw them at people and sit on your high horse?

@Trulywonderful you are coming across as anything but truly wonderful right now

And to add to my original comments..its posts like yours that pushes people to do their research and find its out of context and they learn what Islam really is. Not culture where it is mispresented but what real Islam is.

Your 'born Muslim friend' probably hasn't actually studied her own religion. Or maybe she has and decided its not for her. That's also fine. But don't bash others happy in their faith

Explain a lot? What do you mean by that? The poster has explained they aren't a new convert either.

I am in the same situation as your friend, however I wouldn't act as she has. I will condemn Hamas, but how dare anyone call for the condemnation of Muslims in general.

Awful that you brazenly declare the purpose of a religion is to hate another.

I suppose in your robust studies, you must have come across other aspects of Islam. How does sadaqa promote hate?

I have my issues with some of the teachings, but I wouldn't condemn anyone for being Muslim.

Thank you @ChickHenLittle I appreciate that. As i also wouldn't criticise any one who left. We do what is best for our own selves and inner peace x

Also @Trulywonderful I have only ever met a handful of people who look at me and say such things. Lost people are decent human beings and either express and interests or can just see me as a person and not a convert. It doesn't need to be that deep. I don't go around telling people I'm a Co vert unless people ask...