Ongoing and continuing conceptions and follicling ahead of Feisty, Fabulous Forty somethings

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Just to start us off.

May this be a happy and lucky thread for all of us.

Evening girls xx

[Drags improbably sized box into the centre of the room and looks rather proud..]

Hey - as we're having such a rubbish time, and given the nights are drawing in on the thread, I got us this

I'm now looking for some scatter cushions and have stocked a mini fridge with Minstrels and Maltesers - please feel free to help yourself.

Still no AF, but got cramps so sure she is coming. It's CD25 for me Diege and I ov-ed on CD13 - so it would be about right. I'm perplexed by all the references to extending my lunar cycle... I know that wasn't it... Is there something I should be doing - I feel paranoid now!

{{Diege}} It's not the despair is it, it's the hope that gets you! I'm sorry - that must have been really disappointing.

Hippy I went back to work last Monday - most people have ignored that I have been out of the office for the last 4 months - but I am sort of used to that approach by now.

(Throws another log on the fire)

More maltesers anyone?

Sassy, that is a beautiful fireplace couch combo. I love it! And, man, do I need it right now!

Deige, sorry about the confusing test. I hope it means you are pregnant, but I understand how those tests, if they are a dud, can really screw with your brain. I had a run of blue dye tests like that last year which really had me thinking I was pregnant.Had a blood test and I wasn't.Although deep down I did know,I was still hopeful.

Sassy, sorry that AF is on her way. Many women do feel like AF is on the way when in fact they are pregnant.

I didn't take my temperature this morning and am considering giving up the whole thing. Something my DH said last night has had me feeling really awful and don't know if I can keep ttc. It wasn't even directly related, but I just don't know if I want to have all the stress of ttc,pregnancy,testing and a new baby when I feel I have to do so much more than he will. Perhaps I'll feel better later. I have had a cold, some sleepless nights with my 2 year old, and I think that I'm feeling tired and emotional!

Sorry, to be a downer!

I'd better grab some malteasers and a slanket I think, even though I'm supposed to be gearing up for SWI time....

(throws another log on the fire)

Realise it must still be summer for lots of you, but it's bloody freezing here in Scotland!

Aww gumblossom feeling exhausted, ill and emotional isn't exactly mood setting, is it? There's very little in life that chocolate doesn't improve - and am sure this is no exception. Hope you feel better later - you could always still try... but just put in less effort xx

Morning .Ooh Sassy you shouldn't have spent so much on the fire - v.nice, in a swinger-ish sort of way. We just need a hostess trolly now Oh and do you mean 'luteal phase' refs as opposed to 'lunar cycle? ' ? Sounds like yours is just fine from the dates!
Gum feel free to unload about dh's comment (or not if you prefer); sorry you've felt so upset by it, but hope that your ttc-reluctance is just a temporary blip?
Well temp has shot up to highest ever this morning , so sunday was 36.89, Monday (day of woe) 36.60, today 36.90, so at least it appears that af isn't imminent. Someone on my other thread said that a bfp on 7 days post-ov was pretty unlikely,and that the next days very faint positives were more like it (suggesting that the strong-ish bfp may have been faulty??)Anyway, have ordered 10 miu tests from ebay (the others were 25miu) and will not even open the enevelope until af is a week late...
Hope everyone is ok - lets get that fire on and the minstrels out!

OK, I'm glad something of mine is ok Diege

As I don't have to worry, I think whilst you lot have luteal phases, I will continue to have lunar cycles - complete with howling at the moon and growing hairs on the palms of my hands...

Gum feel free to unload about dh's comment (or not if you prefer);

I am nosey too

DH's worst comment so far was when I told him my 25yr old friend had got pg (she is pleased, but it was a once-only accident). Relayed this info, matter of factly, and he said:

"Oh - she beat you to it then?"

That made me feel just great
Sensitivity isn't his strong point.

(Hands round the maltesers)

Anyone got a better one?

hello all, Diege, I think it still sounds quite positive - maybe you are haivng a triphasic cycle?

I am having a mystery cycle as I am not doing opks and my temp is too unreliable because of coming back from travelling, children waking up all night etc. also had spotting at cd9 which has never happened to me before.

gum sorry you are feeling down - I go through similar phases myself (usually in the 2ww), but can't quite switch off around ov time! Hope you resolve matters with your dh.

sassy sorry af is on way. Can't believe your colleagues at work (well I can I suppose, but it is still crap), my bosses partner died earlier this year (at 40) and people were lovely to her and very open, but we work for a charity so people are quite touchy feely I suppose.

muchlove and djinnie hello!

hippy sorry about your thyroid tests -do you have the type that means that you will lose loads of weight when you start on the tablets? (sorry shallow I know - my mum has been trying to convince the dr for years to give her thyroxine). Less shallowly, you should start to feel much better soon. Hope yesterday went ok for you.

About Agnus Castus - who here is taking it? i bought some, and then was scared off by some threads on here. vit b6 seemed to lengthen my lp, but maybe that was a coincidence.

waves to italian and gg, and thinking of you Jolly too. (lovely day here today isn't it?)

diege I can't believe you're gonna wait that long!!!! I logged on especially to see if you'd tested today Hippy Whispers- 'All sounds quite good!'

sassy love the fireplace. Love the idea that you are virtual shopping to make this place nicer - bless you. Sorry to hear people at work have totally ignored your 4 month absense and the death of your darling daughter WTF is wrong with people???

gum I'm guessing he said somehting like - "If you want another baby, you'll have to do most of the work cos i'm too tired/old." Well that's fine cos you probably do anyway!

Do tell us - I'm nosey too

beattie welcome back to the thread, did you bring us something from your holidays??
Yes i do have the type of thyroid probs that makes you put on weight so logically speaking I should lose weight when i get the tabs (in theory - but I'll probably be the exception to the rule .)

Hi Beattie, it's good to hear from you.

Well, after feeling quite low, when I got back from doing the grocery shopping (never really an uplifting activity), I arrived home to parcels on the doorstep: fabulous fabric to inspire me back to sewing, and two books : one about Spirit Babies and another called The fertile Female. So I've had my nose in the book about spirit babies, which is just lovely and I feel so much better about it all. I can't escape the feeling that another baby is meant to be, so won't give up yet!

As for Dh's comment.It really wasn't all that bad, but I think when you(me) are feeling exhausted after a particularly difficult day and looking for sympathy, his comment wasn't well met. I said something about feeling really tired and being sick of working my butt off(whilst everyone else was happily sitting around doing their own thing), to which he replied "could you do it more quietly", as he left the room. When he returned I told him his comment hurt my feelings, and his reply was: "Well you do complain all the time"
Ouch!
That's when I decided I would not complain anymore, I wouldn't speak at all, and promptly went to bed!
We did return to normal today after he apologized. He's probably right, I do complain a bit. And it made me think that I didn't have the patience or energy for another baby, or that I didn't deserve it when I am such a whinging cow.
Things do look a bit better in daylight, and I still feel I really want to have a baby.It helps that my LO was much more cooperative today and had a lovely big nap, then did a wee in the potty! So all is right with the world

Deige I love the sound of that temp rise. It is very promising. Can't wait for you to test again.

Sassy - your hubby's comment was not meant to hurt you I am sure. Men do have an interesting sense of humour I find.

Well, best get off my butt and work it some more...best cook dinner.

Morning Lovlies

DIEGE Liking that temp !! Does sound like that 7dpo test was faulty I have defo had them before - infact I usually get something at 7dpo and then on 8dpo zilch, zero, nothing. Which has happend to me on pg and not pg cycles......so we wait in anticipation
GUM Glad all is good between you and DH now especially as it's that time coming up...Hoping you are gonna be giving us lots of titbits from your book reading - you know I love that info
HIPPY Where you at in yo cycle girl - that was said in a American ghetto/projects accent (don't kno why just felt like it)
SASSY Aah love your fireside/couch idea so thoughtful
BEATTIE Welcome back from your travels hope you had a good time
Hi GG and ITALIAN and DJINNI
Well well well Im on CD5 that came round quick, still a bit mopey and sad but trying to self heal by talking to myself then answering myself in a sterner voice ????? Oh the madness of it all

xx

Oh Yeah meant to say BEATTIE I haven't taken agnus castus because I think my OV is usually about day 12 - 15 and my Lutel stage is always 14 days so I was scared to take incase it messed me up. But I have heard of lots of good stories on it for others (something about it being Natures Clomid)

x

Hippy I have resorted to weeing on opks (of which I have a stash) every time I go (very sad I know ) as they come up instantly pos.I have no preg ones left,but my new stash should be here possibly tomorrow .I know I said I would wait but I'm like a drug-starved addict now - only af will stop me!
Gum that sounds like a nice bounty of goodies!I too would have been irritated by dh's comments,so don't be too hard on yourself...it's often those closest to us and all that!
Muchlove that's encouraging about your false positives. I have read somewhere that in the first week after/during implantation hcg levels do vary widely,sometimes dropping or plateauing before rising again,esp with 'early implanters'.
Beattie could what you describe be an implantation bleed? Was SWI timed correctly? Oh and my lp has extended by about 2/3 days with AC so I am its chief supporter(at present).I read the threads too,but felt I had nothing to lose!
Right,off to pee on another opk - I know they can mean you're pregnant, but also that af is approaching, so I not being delusional, just obsessive!

For goodness sake diege - i have loads of preggie sticks here - take one - take one and pee on it!!!!!

I would be doing the same as you - despite the fact that it could mean you're preg or you're about to get AF - so it tells you NOTHING!

I hope the post is early around your way - keep your FMU and sit on the step awaiting the postie .

sassy I need a nice little table to put my drink on and I'll need a big flat screen TV to watch my corrie - get shopping girl.

muchlove well mam, i am about a week after ovulation, thank you kindly for asking (said in a deep south alabama accent!).

jolly hurry up and get internet access in your neat little home - i miss you my love. xx

gum glad you made up before you needed to do some serious SWI .

Love to everyone else.

Oh I love our new couch and fire places, so cosy, I could stay here all day. aaahhhhhh! Thank you Sassy.

Diege - if the test you got the positive on was the same ones I use, I discovered that even slight splashing of water on the front of the test just after dipping it, produces a glaring positive. could this have happened with the one you had? Anyway the temp dip followed by a huge rise - that sounds like an implantation dip to me..... looking forward to hearing a bfp from you in a day or so!!!

Beattie - hope you enjoyed your hols, good to have you back.

Jolly - missing you already, hope things are ok?

Gum - glad you have bounced back, dh's can be a little thoughtless at times.

I have had a rough couple of days at work, yet somehow talked myself into going back tomorrow afternoon for an extra stint as boss went off sick today (she is heavily pregnant!)

So on the way home was not thinking properly and so managed to get a speeding ticket! Arrggg. To be honest, I really didn't care, and it obviously showed as the policeman just took details and said "you weren't going excessively fast, no point in lecturing you, off you go, a letter will be in the post" !!!!!! I have so many other things going on in my life, that a speeding ticket seems like nothing - how bad is that ! Oh well, just another thing to stress me out. Good thing that I have the cosy couch here to relax on.

Hi all

Diege all the best for when you test.

Hippy New month, new time, thinking of you.

Gum and Sassy sorry your hubbies said things that sounded mean. My husband has accidentally said masses of things to me! He actually said yesterday 'You can't get any bigger or I won?t be able to have sex with you! 'But that was a total joke as he was giving me a cuddle and we were talking about Rosemary Conley at the time - in relation to weight loss not sex!

Sassy I don't want to upset you at all and I hope you won't be offended but unless you work in a place full of evil, mean, cruel people I feel quite sure your colleagues are very saddened by what has happened to you - I would imagine if they have not said anything it is because they really do not know what to say. I would also imagine that they are (excuse my French) shit-scared that they will upset you at work and make you cry. I think we all have a sense of not wanting to cause a scene (well English people do, I am assuming you are in England) and so they are probably not sure what to say. Maybe in the office the staff just feel unsure what to say, maybe in another context they would know more what to do. I agree with you, it is very sad no one has said anything suitable but what could they say that would help, maybe in time they will feel able to say things.

Sassy I'll just share this story, please ignore if it does not help explain what I mean about not-knowing-what-ti-say Englishness! I recently stayed with my friend's parents (and friend). My friend had lost her brother aged 40 so the parents had lost their only son. I had no idea what to say, (I had sent a card at the time). My friend herself said her Mum was not really up to talking about it. So I said nothing. When my hubby arrived to stay the night he looked at all the photos on the walls, which the mum had put up of the son, and the dad caught him looking. The dad brought up the subject. They chatted a bit about what the son meant to the family (well the dad chatted and DH just listened quietly) and my eyes welled with tears even though I had never met my friend's brother. This was at their home, surrounded by photos of my friend's brother after dinner and bottle of wine! Had the situation been different I am not sure what we would have said and I was not sure what to say but I did feel lots of emotions and sympathy, I was just trying to work out how best to convey it and maybe I failed miserably.

Anyway, just wanted to share what happened with me visiting my friend, please ignore these comments if not helpful.

Still drinking the evil tasting Agnus Castus, still having sex with hubby (fortunately not too fat for that) and still waiting for May when we get to the top of the list.

Love to all.

Morning . Well tests due today but I don't feel I can bring myself to test (and get a possibly ambiguous result).My temps dropped this morning (1.0 c), not massive and still as high as all after ov before the big peak after dip, but my (new) theory is as follows. I had a very early chemical pregnancy and my temps are only just catching up with the fact (ie, dip, then big rise, then slowly falling..)No charts to compare it with,this being my first month of temping, but feel ok about it and strangely looking forward to af so that I can start afresh without any early testing! (and I still have the prospect of 35 10miu preg tests that will arrive today to keep me nicely tempted)
Italian wise words as always for Sassy. I have to say a poor woman at my old work very sadly gave birth to a stillborn baby and to my shame I tried to avoid her as I just didn't know what to say . It sounds awful written down, but I will admit I'm a total wimp in these sorts of situations. When I had my mc (they all knew as I'd announced I was pregnant the day before mc was confirmed )I didn't want people to mention it at all,and actually e-mailed a close colleague to let people know I just wanted to carry on as if nothing had happened.Probably not very healthy mentally, but then I am a bit odd emotion-wise . I'm sure as Italian says that people do care - maybe they are waiting for their 'cue', or as said are worried about making you tearful at work when you may see work as a 'refuge'?
Italian sounds like you are very positive (I've heard good things about Rosemary Connely classes)and that the time to get to the top of the list will speed by xx
Galway that's interesting about the test you had. I dipped mine in a cup so maybe dipped too deep? Having said that, I do treat my testing as a controlled experiment and am pretty precise . I will certainly try the water thing though for future tests!

Hello all,

Makes me nostalgic being back here, seeing Diege, Hippy, Gum, Italian... hope you're all well...

Just a quick update from me (only have time to post briefly on the March '11 thread nowadays). We had our scan last week at 11 weeks. Seeing the lil bean wriggling around (forced to wake from comfy nap by anxious mom) was such a huge relief with EDD on 13th March 2011. Poor DD was so puzzled ("what're they doing to my mummy?") After weeks and weeks of anxiety and worry and symptom watching. Waiting for results of the DS screening, nuchal T looked good though. The U/S photos weren't very clear, otherwise very happy indeed.

Finally told some people, DH's parents, his boss etc. But am going to be all secretive until the 20 week scan

Another convert to the wonders of Preseed here

lots of hugs,
xxxx

Can't stop. Boys have a friend here and I need to make them lunch. All I will say is this..... WILL YOU BLOODY HURRY UP AND GET THOSE TESTS DIEGE.

There are only so many times I will log on to this thread just to find out this news!!!! I don't even have time to lounge back on the sofa and admire the fireplace!!!

DSL Great news about the 11 week scan

Hi again ladies, hi beattie

Still here, lurking. Still no AF. What am I now... CD41?

Two tests both BFN (first last Weds, 2nd one last Saturday).

Both times have been very disappointed. Gut wrenching. But then, I've never really expected to get pregnant so....

Went to GP yesterday and I think he thinks it's all in my head. Got to test again this weekend and go and see him again next Weds. He said to put it out of my mind.

He doesn't think it's an early menopause - so that's good.

So is this a chemical? I don't know anything about these. What is that? Is it psychosomatic?

If anyone answers, thanks. Got a meeting all afternoon so will check back later when I can. My wedding anniversary today so out tonight but no booze... just in case!!

Have a good one xx

Great news DSL on your scan - you must feel wonderful! Many congrats x
Djinnie a chemical preganncy is when the egg started to implant but something went wrong (usually to do with embryo but can be down to hormones etc) and the pregnancy fails (so very early miscarriage). Hope you and the GP can get to the bottom of what's going on. Has he/she suggested any tests?

Well Hippy my resolve weakened and I grabbed the sticks off the postie and weed on one - a resounding NEGATIVE (I swear the white space was even whiter than before I wee'd on it )so just hanging on now till af. Have been thinking about adding vit B6 to my concoction and wondered if anyone on here took it? (Beattie?) Anywat, off to sulk now with Grazia and some choc...

oh no Diege, I'm sorry if it is negative. Still no harm peeing on another stick tomorrow I suppose?

I have only taken b6 and my lp and cycle have both lenghthened. Last month I didn't, and cycle back to 24 days (with spotting before then). so i think that it did work for me. But no pregnancy! so I am still thinking of agnus castus too.

My periods are really light so I am worried that there is nothing to implant in iyswim. am going to try Jollsters acupuncturist I think and also have been referred for tests by dr.

Good news on the scan doubleshot.

djinnie hope you can get to the bottom of your missing period. I recently had what I think was a cp - I got a positive test first though.

Hello to everyone else!

Yes Beattie will no doubt pee on a stick every day now (I have 35 tests to get through ) but pretty sure that Sunday's strongish BFP followed by 2 v.faint pos, then 2 negs = chemical pregnancy. That's good about your LP - as you have a few longer cycles you may notice af becomes heavier (it takes a few months to be reflected in flow from what I've read). Can I ask you what your does of B6 was? I already have 20mg in my Marilyn glenville fertility vits so not sure if 50mg a day on top of that was excessive? And do you take them for the entire cycle or stop after ov like with agnus?

Hello all xx Well I have my AF
So go back to square 1, do not pass go, do not collect £200.

As no one appears to be pg, perhaps we should have a cocktail party

What a bummer Sassy At least we are all united in out bfp-free zone

diege sorry to hear about the neg. I guess you could be right about the CP. Still it's still quite early days - your AF isn't due yet is it?? Thinking of you lovie. xx

sassy sorry about AF arriving - the bitch. Cocktail party sounds fab. I've bought a couple of jugs of pimms to start us off (Hippy places on the floor cos Sassy hasn't bought the bloody tables yet ha ha.)

djinnie it must be so frustrating for you at the mo. I would be coming to the same conclusions as you. Lets hope you are one of those people who doesn't get a positive until Af is very late .

diege I took B6 complex for a while it never lengthened my LP - it just turned my pee green!!!!

As for me - Only half way through 2WW - nothing to report. Keep hoping my boobs will feel like someone elses soon .

sassy sorry about af. We need some positives on this thread soon.

I take the Holland and Barrett vit b complex - it is 100mg vit b - does make your wee luminous though!